No means no, they eventually get the message, so I’m with the daughter in this. Mine knew that, my gc too. My gc were told no by their parents and if they made enough fuss it turned to yes, on many occasions. It makes for so many problems when you can’t lift them up and carry them into the car. They learn by making enough fuss they will get what they want. That’s not the grown up world.
A better word than 'apologise'?
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