Covid vaccine

Baggs

pea007

This is going to be a bit of a hot potato and I’m not sure if it’s been discussed before here we go:
Have you declined the Covid vaccine? If so, could you explain why because I don’t understand?

I read an interesting comment on another 'platform' this morning written by an anti-covid-vaxxer (which is a different species from total-anti-vaxxer) and, although I am triple-covid-jabbed, I understood where they were coming from. Not everyone refusing the covid vaccine is a nutter and taking the view that they are is unhelpful. I don't think anyone is going to change their mind if those trying to persuade them are condescending.

So what did they say ?

We were lucky in having no reactions at all from all three jabs. I have friends who were unwell for a few days but I think this indicates how ill they would have been had they contracted the virus. Vaccination is the way forward, serious side effects are relatively rare but the worry is there for you not to be ‘the one’ who reacts in this way. I do know people who haven’t yet been vaccinated, they have their reasons and it is their choice, they also think they have had Covid. It’s a tough one and this virus is going to keep on mutating for a few years yet, who knows where it is going. All we can do is protect ourselves as much as possible.

When did it become acceptable not to care about our fellow man.

I don't get the feeling from what I've seen of anti-covid-vax that this is what motivates people to refuse it. Their fears, so far as I can tell, are about risks to themselves and, often, their children (long-term effects, for instance).

Assuming a certain viciousness – not caring about their fellow man – is another unhelpful assumption and, as such, likely to make people "dig in" with their vaccine refusal.

You said you could see where they were coming from….but what exactly did they say that made you think that ?

Lucca

Baggs

pea007

This is going to be a bit of a hot potato and I’m not sure if it’s been discussed before here we go:
Have you declined the Covid vaccine? If so, could you explain why because I don’t understand?

I read an interesting comment on another 'platform' this morning written by an anti-covid-vaxxer (which is a different species from total-anti-vaxxer) and, although I am triple-covid-jabbed, I understood where they were coming from. Not everyone refusing the covid vaccine is a nutter and taking the view that they are is unhelpful. I don't think anyone is going to change their mind if those trying to persuade them are condescending.

So what did they say ?

1. Some believe the age-related seriousness of the virus means they are less at risk than they would be if they were older. This is not unreasonable given what we’ve been told about age-related vulnerability all along.

2. The speed the covid jabs were developed makes some people uneasy. It did me though not enough to dissuade me from having the jabs.

3. Many remains “politely hesitant – quietly concerned about long-term side effects (58%) or confident that they are not personally in danger”. See above.

4. “Significant numbers, espec among ethnic minorities, do not trust the authorities”. Medical racism, “grounded in historical realities”, is mentioned.

5. Some face language or transport problems.

6. Pregnant women are part of a larger group with safety worries. Early on, pregnant women were advised not to have the vaccine.

7. Reports of blood clots and potential heart problems have fuelled anxieties.

Vax rates vary “dramatically” between ethnic groups and between “deprivation levels” (poverty, as usual, makes a difference).

Donald Palmer, ed sec for Brit Soc Immunology, says this: “Take the idea that black women are up to four times as likely to die during childbirth ... These folks are not antivaxers — but they’re worried and they want reassurance.”

Etc, etc.

Oh right. Yes I read all that in the Times.

A lovely post from the heartWhiff
Thankyou

Sweetpeasue thank you .

I recently discovered that my youngest niece, an otherwise reasonably intelligent 25 year old, has refused to be vaccinated. Try as I might I cannot get any reason out of her other than 'it's not safe, especially if you want to have children in the future'. She has no understanding or reasons for why it's not safe, just what she has picked up on Facebook. She gets her information from Facebook and will believe what is put on there even above advice from medics in the family. I'm not too worried about her because she is young and healthy, although there is always that dread that she will be one of the few youngsters it does affect. But it does worry me that she will believe nameless, faceless people before more experienced, expert advice.

Our next door neighbour who is 85 years old will not be seeing her only relatives a daughter, SIL and GS over Christmas because none of them have had any jabs at all. Apparently they don’t believe they are necessary or safe ! Apart from a couple of garden visits over the last almost 2 years they have not seen her.
No Christmas visit as she would not feel safe. I can’t believe the selfishness.

She won’t go without a good Christmas dinner as I shall cook for one extra .

I see the anti-vaxxers are on a protest in London.

Still not to worry the Tory government will soon pass the law to stop them.

How very sad ginny. And how good of you to be doing what her family should be. I would wonder if in time they will look back and realise how selfish and cruel they were, when it’s too late.

'it's not safe, especially if you want to have children in the future'. She has no understanding or reasons for why it's not safe, just what she has picked up on Facebook

Thinking something might or will affect your fertility is a reason and a good one for avoiding it, even if one is misguided in believing the something. So you can't say "she has no reasons". It's important to understand people's fears even if we think they're daft/wrong.

It's important to understand people's fears even if we think they're daft/wrong.

Yes it is. And I am trying to. In fact, I do understand a fear that she might not be able to have children. However, I cannot understand why in this instance she will just accept what some faceless person on Facebook says without any explanation rather than her uncle who is a doctor and her cousin, who is a virologist, albeit a young one. In fact, it is so unlike her that I suspect something else is going on.

MissAdventure

As annoying as it is, nobody is at liberty to explain their health decisions to anyone else.

... don't you mean that no-one is at liberty to ask for others to explain their health decisions to anyone else?

In which case - you don't have to, I don't think the OP is demanding that you do!

I think it's a good opportunity for GN'ers to air their views - and it has been interesting and informative to hear their opinion and their reasoning.

... but it's not compulsory!

I'd much rather have the vaccines than this blood-clotting problem that I've got. Even the treatment has its set-backs It's quite restrictive.

On the funny side of this, I'm supposed to just have spoonfuls of certain veg ( vit-k ) except that I deal in dollops and not spoons I can't visualise me sitting down to a spoonful of anything.

^ I can't visualise me sitting down to a spoonful of anything.^

EllanVannin Mary Poppins would not be amused ?

EllanVannin

I'd much rather have the vaccines than this blood-clotting problem that I've got. Even the treatment has its set-backs It's quite restrictive.

On the funny side of this, I'm supposed to just have spoonfuls of certain veg ( vit-k ) except that I deal in dollops and not spoons I can't visualise me sitting down to a spoonful of anything.

EllanVannin do you mean you're not supposed to eat too much of green veg?

What you need is one of those squeezy bottles they used on Masterchef, the Professionals, where they squirt about seven tiny dots of some veg puree around the plate as decoration.
About 1/100th of your five a day!

That's kind of you ginny, well done.
My Mum used to pass a Sunday and Christmas dinner over the hedge to our elderly next door neighbour even though her siblings lived nearby.

All three of mine have been Pfizer. After the booster I had a dull sort of ache on the left side of my chest. Don't really know if it was related, but was a bit worried about myocarditis. I would have a fourth if necessary though.

I never thought of that grannyrebel - I had a booster last Saturday and have felt quite unwell since, headache which seemed understandable, but also a painful chest which is improving now.
I've done 3 LFT tests, all negative.

That's about the size of it Calistemon, to go easy on portions of veg as they contain vitamin k which is " my enemy " as it works the opposite to what the warfarin does.
Warfarin manages the clotting as does vit k, but my body doesn't want too much vit k or I'd be in trouble so the warfarin's there to break up any clots and keep the blood flowing.

I don't always abide by the portion sizes when having any type of veg. The INR readings every so often reflect my diet as my ratio is 2.5 and a few points over or under has to be adjusted with more or less warfarin. Between 3 and 4 is a high risk of bleeding internally and a no. 1 is stroke territory.

I must have been good through summer as my last reading was 2.4 after 56 days, good and steady, so depending on my Christmas " diet " I'll have to wait until next month for the test. I take 16mgs a week from 22mgs that I used to take so it's been pretty steady.

That first jab caused the blood to clot, which must have happened to those poor souls who died and only for the fact I take warfarin and statins saved me from a fate worse than death. Which is why I backed out having any more and for the time being prefer to live like a hermit.

There's yet another variant that's reared its ugly head, the IHU which is a Mediterranean strain and found in Marseille.

EllanVannin

There's yet another variant that's reared its ugly head, the IHU which is a Mediterranean strain and found in Marseille.

EllanVannin Are you sure about this??? The IHU is 'Hospital-University Institute Méditerranée Infection' in Marseille.

AreWeThereYet

EllanVannin

There's yet another variant that's reared its ugly head, the IHU which is a Mediterranean strain and found in Marseille.

EllanVannin Are you sure about this??? The IHU is 'Hospital-University Institute Méditerranée Infection' in Marseille.

I found this EV. AreWeThereYet is correct.

today.iu.edu/live/news/1064-what-to-know-about-the-new-omicron-variant

I've had all three vaccines, so has Mr O.