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Very last minute wills.

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PamelaJ1 Fri 23-Jun-23 07:04:13

My friend is in hospital at the moment on the oncology ward.
She has decided to make a few changes/additions and doesn’t have much time.
She is complicating matters by not wanting to use her usual solicitor because of family connections, that goes for the only other local firm.
I have tried to find a firm nearer the hospital but they seem to be unable to help. They would have to visit the hospital and it is very short notice.
She wants to go home to die but wants to get this done before she goes.
I have suggested that she doesn’t need a solicitor and if she dictates it to me I could print it and then she could get it signed in the hospital. She is of sound mind IMO but I don’t think I’m qualified to state that legally? Im sure one of the Drs would be prepared to though.

If anyone out there has any helpful advice I will be grateful.

PamelaJ1 Sat 24-Jun-23 12:30:40

Magrithea
Her solicitors are family!

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 24-Jun-23 12:45:04

Hence my comment that the changes will be contentious - wanting to make the will before going home and not wanting to use the family solicitor.

grandtanteJE65 Sat 24-Jun-23 12:56:51

The hospital should have both a social worker and a chaplain, either of whom can phone for a solicitor for your friend.

It is still I believe legal to buy a form to make out a will on, although perhaps if it is only minor changes codicils rather than an entirely new will would do.

Legally we all can draw up our wills and have our signature, while we actually sign the document witnessed by two witnesses, who must be of age and not benificiaries of the will.

If your friend chooses this path, she can start that being of sound mind and with her end approaching due to cancer, she herwith revokes all previous wills she has made, then states what she wants done with her property and with regards to funeral arrangements.

However there is an old saying that the solicitor who draws his own will has a fool for a client. I imagine it must apply even more to all those of us who are not lawyers.

Any nurse in an oncology ward should be able to put you in touch with either a solicitor, or the local registrar, if he/she is competent in this matter.

Do remember that Scottish and English law differ on many points, and if you are not in the UK send for a public notary!

Justcallmeslave Sat 24-Jun-23 12:57:19

She absolutely should use a solicitor. I suggest you try to convince her to instruct the original solicitors to make the changes. It will be so much easier and quicker as they will have all of the necessary information to hand. She shouldn’t worry about the connection with her relatives. If it’s a reputable firm then they are duty bound to operate in their clients best interest and cannot/should not get involved in personal disputes, or betray confidentiality irrespective of their connection to anyone who may be a named beneficiary. There is every possibility she may require proof of mental capacity before she can make any changes to her existing will, in which case the solicitor will contact her GP if deemed necessary. In light of her deteriorating health the solicitor should visit her while she is in hospital.
I hope this helps. Having been through something similar myself I know how stressful it can be and that’s something I’m sure she doesn’t need at this point in her life. Sending healing prayers to you and your friend 🙏🏽

Justcallmeslave Sat 24-Jun-23 13:19:13

With all due respect, a social worker in my opinion would not be the right approach as they would not know the patients medical history and therefore would only be able to assess the person judged on how they appear at a given time. Any number of things can affect mental capacity in the short term such as medication or a water infection, consequently there would be a risk of misdiagnosis and I very much doubt anything other than a professional medical diagnosis would be considered as valid.

Bluedaisy Sat 24-Jun-23 13:28:01

I’m so sorry about your friend. Please please do not suggest to her about anyone but a Solicitor doing her Will as I know only too well of the complications that causes. Most Solicitors will visit a patient at end of life in hospital, my own Mother had one visit her about 8 years ago in hospital. I just googled it in her area and phoned until I got one. I wasn’t allowed to be there at the time so I waited outside the ward, my Mother was quite happy with the solicitor I found.
My DB sadly passed away 5 months ago and unfortunately got a notary in the States to do his will and to cut a long story short it’s been horrendous for my niece trying to deal with the Notary even though it’s been signed by 3 people and stamped. If my DB would have known in advance what his DD would have to do to get his estate settled he would have definitely got himself a good Lawyer! I cannot stress strongly enough how important this is for your friend.

JANH Sat 24-Jun-23 13:58:34

Just to add that I had a problem, not with a will but to do with burial rights.
I needed my father who was in hospital receiving palliative care to sign a document which needed to be witnessed. The nursing staff were not allowed to witness any paperwork however the Dr, was and did countersign for me.
Please use a Solicitor due to the problems that can and do occur with home- made wills.

Cossy Sat 24-Jun-23 15:44:34

I have to agree that I’d never make amendments to my will without consulting my solicitor and this is somewhat complicated by the fact that this poor soul is terminally unwell and may not be of sound mind for a number of reasons incl medication, knowing she is dying and the actual disease itself. Bless you though for trying so hard to help your friend

PamelaJ1 Sun 25-Jun-23 19:24:08

I seem to have been let off the hook.
I was probably perceived to be dragging my feet.
I did keep trying to find a way for her to get it all done quickly and legally but failed. A couple of other friends are on the case now. I hope they succeed.
Thanks to all of you.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 25-Jun-23 19:30:19

It’s good news that you won’t be drawn into any dispute. My very best wishes to your friend. If there is to be no reprieve I hope her passing is peaceful and without pain. Also that her mind as regards her will is properly at rest.

PamelaJ1 Sun 25-Jun-23 20:30:53

Thank you GSM.
I hope she gets it sorted out. It does seem to be concerning her greatly.

Nannarose Sun 25-Jun-23 21:35:28

I too am glad that you are not being drawn in, and hope your friend sorts it out so she can be peaceful for her last days.
Just for information for others: health professionals can witness wills from a legal point of view, as can anyone; but our professional organisations caution against doing so.

amazonia Mon 26-Jun-23 13:56:03

Goodness, she has put you in a difficult position. It would be so much easier and less contentious to use her previous firm of solicitors. Surely everyone in the firm doesn't have a family connection? Solicitors are also legally bound to keep everything of this nature confidential. They are not even allowed to say that Mrs X is a client.
Solicitors make far more money trying to sort out badly worded wills after you're dead than they do drafting one in the first place.
I hope all of you on here have an up to date will - especially if you are not married to your partner. Don't trust your family - or his - to do the right thing after you are gone.
Lecture over!!