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(84 Posts)My 31 year old daughter is at a crossroads but doesn’t know which road to take- she doesn’t even know where the roads lead!
Highly educated and organised, excellent teacher with six years experience . Dreadfully missed by the school she left at Christmas due to the overwhelming demands of the profession. She has in mind to come a PA to a headteacher perhaps but is having no luck as she has no experience. I have been in touch with a careers advisor but my daughter will not engage with her. She is starting to become very disheartened and I don’t know what to advise her.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where she could go from here?
Many thanks
The Civil Service EO positions are something she could go for. I know someone in that position who did that and got the job.
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lovely smaller primary schools where the pressure does not seem to be as intense as large schools
The smaller the school the more pressure because there are fewer staff to fulfill all the roles and responsibilities which remain mandatory whatever the size of the school. Less constraints in private schools but lack of job security and poorer pay. She doesn't sound fit for teaching at present.
I agree, you need to step back and let your daughter sort herself out. And don't fund her.
'Fewer constraints'
I do wonder when the parenting stops? Genuine question. My adult children are not in a good place but they have made poor choices.
GD of a DF changed from teaching to a role helping students at a University. DD2 also read History and had a few office jobs, one as an archivist before starting teaching when her children were small. She was someone who came home after a broken romance, stayed with us for a short while, moved in with friends and met her now husband soon after.
Your DD has only been with you a short time
I am a teacher who once worked as a Personal Assistant to an NHS Manager during a break from teaching and I would say do not underestimate the PA role as it is not without its pressures. It's not all about organising travel, standing in for your employer at high level meetings, acting as the managers right-hand person and so on. You usually need excellent typing and shorthand skills, as well as the ability to take recorded dictation and minutes at meetings. The hardest thing (to me at any rate) was being subordinate to my Manager. I felt I could do his job much better than he could (yes, it was a man) and my grasp of English grammar was certainly superior to his. PA roles differ, of course, but they are not all the high flying sort that some on here seem to think they are. After my brief sojurn into commerce I was very glad to get back to my teaching role, I can tell you!
Sojourn! not sojurn.
Thank you all so much for recounting your experiences and sharing your opinions.She was in a smaller school when she returned from Dubai and couldn’t take it for more than one term- for example she was “ volunteered “ to be head of science! And very little if any support for SEN students in her class etc etc.
I will certainly share all your views with her and follow up some excellent suggestions.
When does parenting end? Never, surely. You do what you think is right for your daughters ( private education, university, promoting independence and self-worth) with the hope they will find contentment and be fulfilled. That never ends.
Thank you all so much
NotTooOld
I agree, and being PA to a Head Teacher today would probably be very stressful as many schools are Academies, are run like businesses and often several schools are joined together in a Federation.
All of that without the longer holidays that the teaching profession gets.
It's not a job for someone who is suffering from stress and feeling burnt out.
for example she was “ volunteered “ to be head of science!
Last in, got the job no-one else wanted!
When does parenting end? Never, surely
I think you have to be a good listener, not offer advice, although you could suggest options, and help them work out what they themselves want to do.
The first thing she should do is get a job so she has an income any job, waitress, super market checkout, anything. There is nothing humiliating about earning your living doing what ever is available.
The second thing she should do is turn her work experience in to a range of skills.
For example a teacher will be a) a good communicator 2) good at working with large groups 3) Able to work independently and not need constant supervision. 4) Resilient and so on.
Then she should cruise the job sites and see the jobs advertised and apply for any that interst her. Although she shuld remember tht she needs to start at a lower level than she now at.
She should then analyse the job that interests her and what skills it requires and then show in her application how the skills she has gained as a teacher are a perfect fit for the skills required for the job.
Here is a link to a university site which has been drawn up for graduates looking for their first job, There is a link in the first couple of paragraphs to a 'Skills Audit' that she could fill in to get a feel for what she has to offer. myport.port.ac.uk/guidance-and-support/careers-support/your-options/identifying-your-skills
Here is a link to a bovernment site that may be of use
nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/careers-advice/identifying-skills-and-upskilling
It is perfectly possible for someone in her position to change career, lots of people do it, but she has got to put a lot of effort in, be open to anything, enthusiastic and curious.
However, if she left teaching at Christmas suffering from burnout. She may well need several months to recover, both physically and mentally - so give her a bit of space fr a couple of months and then she should be encouraged to get a job, any job, to keep her in funds and stop her getting demotivate and depressed while she looks at the many various opportunities there are out there
Larger secondary schools have a lot of admin jobs. I am sure there would be opportunities for your daughter in admin roles at a lower grade than PA to the head.
I know someone who had several years at home with children and is now doing admin at a school. She has had a promotion after a year or so, despite no previous experience in education.
TinSoldier
What's her subject?
At 31, with only six years of teaching experience, what other work has she done?
Firstly she should place her Curriculum Vitae (it is free) on:
1) Linkedin.com
2) Tefl.com ( perhaps a position as an assistant director of studies which includes training) or English teacher for foreigners at International House - the oldest language academy since 1953 .. They are located worldwide.
There are other jobsites however, they are predominately for I.T. Technicians, Engineers and Medical ..
All my best wishes.
Evangaline - you answered your own question. We never stop being a parent, and are always there for our grown up children. Don’t beat yourself up because your daughter has become disillusioned with teaching. It’s hardly surprising, what with the amount of paperwork etc. which is expected of teachers, plus Ofsted inspections as well as a class of 20+ (probably nearer 30) children to be responsible for. I do hope she finds a job that she thoroughly enjoys and can move on with her life. 💐
2) Tefl.com ( perhaps a position as an assistant director of studies which includes training) or English teacher for foreigners at International House - the oldest language academy since 1953 .. They are located worldwide
I was going to suggest this too, FrenchgalinSpain.
She could take a TEFL or CELTA course as teaching English as a foreign language would be to mainly young adults who are keen to learn. There are language schools worldwide and teaching can be done online as well as in the classroom.
Students will be at various levels from beginners to those needing to learn business, scientific or academic English etc.
There is, of curse, regular administrative work to do as well, lesson planning, reports etc.
I was talking to a teacher in a cafe today. She said that after years running a classroom she was delighted and relieved to be working now as a supply teacher. At the end of the day you don't take half your work home with you - it's done and you're free. Might that be an option?
You tell us about your daughter's education and previous jobs were but don't say what actually interests her or what her hobbies are. Sometimes, being honest about what you actually like doing is a good starting point for s big change in jobs and may lead to job satisfaction in the end. My daughter loved sports and is a real people person, so during Covid, she re-trained as a personal trainer and now works for herself. She no longer has the company car and has to work hard for her income, but she enjoys it and is happy,
I just want to add that I lived in Dubai for 4 years, returned to U.K. in 2022. It is almost impossible for a woman looking for a long term partner over there. The men in Dubai have an unlimited amount of lovely,bright,attractive women, looking to be in a long term relationship! The men don't commit, they have too much choice. It's better for our daughter left there. Wishing her all the happiness, she will find her way.
Sorry, Meant to say it's better that your daughter
Evangeline, my highly educated daughter took her PGCE (against the advice of many teachers we know!) after her degree and initially loved her profession. However, within six years she became extremely demoralised with small things such as paying for paper and materials from her own pocket but most of all, the overwhelming bureaucracy. My daughter entered the Civil Service where she is happy but is undertaking the jobs of several people as they are so short-staffed (Government cuts etc.). The pressure is still there but she enjoys it and feels that she is contributing to the country and being useful.
Perhaps this is a route your daughter could consider?
Has she given a thought to perhaps working as an Ofsted inspector. With a teaching background she would be perfect
She has no ties, so why not explore the world a bit? She could teach in a British School in China, or get a quickie TEFL qualification and stay closer to home, perhaps a year in Rome or Madrid, where she could indulge her love of History? Maybe if she wants to stay in the UK, look at the National Trust or English Heritage, they might have jobs which appeal? Another thought that came to me was the Hospital School at Great Ormond St, they must have a bank of teachers.
Sounds like depression leading to a ‘crisis of confidence’ …try to get her to see a doctor .
Alongside a teaching role in a school I often assisted the head teacher in many different ways, as needed, when the ‘to do’ list became unmanageable. It was towards the end of my career, but with an intelligent and practical approach, a younger person could have performed much of that role. I wish her well as she seeks employment
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