Legal immigration if they have a family in uk

petra

pably15

if they are genuine refugees, why do they give £ thousands to these gangs to get bundled into a small dingy instead of coming in by legal means and why do they get into this country without a passport

If that question wasn’t so serious it would be laughable 😂
Which it is!!

It really is like banging the head on the brick wall.

pably15

if they are genuine refugees, why do they give £ thousands to these gangs to get bundled into a small dingy instead of coming in by legal means and why do they get into this country without a passport

If that question wasn’t so serious it would be laughable 😂
Which it is!!

Allira

Primrose53

growstuff

Maybe the UK shouldn't have had an Empire. Then we we wouldn't have had cheap sources of English-speaking labour from the Caribbean to drive our tube trains or from Pakistan to work in our mills. We wouldn't have been the default home country of thousands of East African Asians.

They had the right to come here not like the people flooding in now.

True Primrose as many had Britieh passports and so many have been and are a great asset to the country although some of ther racial discrimination was terrible at the time.
There is still some - as a friend who has been here since 1972 experienced recently 😯

Then we had the shocking debacle of the Windrush Scandal where people who had lived and worked here for decades were deported or not allowed back into the UK after a holiday.

My friend came here when she was 5 (so about 1958) from the island of St Kitts. Her parents came first and she came a bit later having been looked after back home by grandparents.

You have to remember that they left very poor backgrounds in very primitive homes with little money. We needed them and they rightly knew we offered them a better future, that’s why most have stayed, including my friend.

Sarnia

LovesBach

I've just read an article about unlicensed HMOs in and around London - a fast growing situation, where four people are sharing a small room with two double beds, and recently a fire killed occupants. You would have to be made of stone to not feel pity for many immigrants, struggling to make a better life, but where are they to live? How do we educate children, when some schools have portakabins in the playgrounds, and nineteen different languages to cope with? (Barking - Gascoigne School - a recent documentary) There is no easy answer, that much is obvious, but how much longer can this country absorb, and fund, mass immigration? The genie is rapidly struggling out of the bottle, as has been seen in Epping recently.

19 different languages? 41 !!! in a local Primary School near me. How on earth can any teacher cope with that?

I believe there are schools in Leicester with even more languages spoken.

I have seen photos in the Leicester Mercury of classes of children with not a single white child on the photo. Not a single one!

pably15

if they are genuine refugees, why do they give £ thousands to these gangs to get bundled into a small dingy instead of coming in by legal means and why do they get into this country without a passport

You obviously know nothing about asylum. There are no legal means, apart from a few special cases like getting Ukrainians out of the Ukraine to UK. Anyone seeking refuge in the UK, has to first be in the UK.

And yet - it isn’t possible to discuss what’s happening in so many European countries without looking at our historu

Primrose53

growstuff

Maybe the UK shouldn't have had an Empire. Then we we wouldn't have had cheap sources of English-speaking labour from the Caribbean to drive our tube trains or from Pakistan to work in our mills. We wouldn't have been the default home country of thousands of East African Asians.

They had the right to come here not like the people flooding in now.

True Primrose as many had Britieh passports and so many have been and are a great asset to the country although some of ther racial discrimination was terrible at the time.
There is still some - as a friend who has been here since 1972 experienced recently 😯

Then we had the shocking debacle of the Windrush Scandal where people who had lived and worked here for decades were deported or not allowed back into the UK after a holiday.

Primrose53

growstuff

Maybe the UK shouldn't have had an Empire. Then we we wouldn't have had cheap sources of English-speaking labour from the Caribbean to drive our tube trains or from Pakistan to work in our mills. We wouldn't have been the default home country of thousands of East African Asians.

They had the right to come here not like the people flooding in now.

The government can give anybody it likes the right.

growstuff

Maybe the UK shouldn't have had an Empire. Then we we wouldn't have had cheap sources of English-speaking labour from the Caribbean to drive our tube trains or from Pakistan to work in our mills. We wouldn't have been the default home country of thousands of East African Asians.

They had the right to come here not like the people flooding in now.

Sliding doors.

Maybe the UK shouldn't have had an Empire. Then we we wouldn't have had cheap sources of English-speaking labour from the Caribbean to drive our tube trains or from Pakistan to work in our mills. We wouldn't have been the default home country of thousands of East African Asians.

Skydancer

If only we could come back in 100 years. We wouldn’t recognise the country we grew up in. Different cultures, different faiths, many not trying to integrate. Many from countries who currently want to wipe each other out. We are just inviting trouble by allowing so many people to come here. We should be helping them in their own country. In the last couple of years the town I live in is unrecognisable from 10 years ago.

100 years ago the Jewish population of the UK had grown considerably due to immigration from Eastern European, synagogues were being being built and Jewish institutions established.
The more it changes, the more it’s the same.

Nanato3

J52

Nanato3

Allira

When a refugee who has married a British citizen and has a British-born child is allowed to stay without waiting seven years to find out if they can stay and not be deported, then perhaps Sir Keir could think about it!

Some only marry a British Citizen to stay in the country.
Lots of women from the Philippines do that . They'll marry anyone to stay in UK.

Is this a fact, or just your opinion. Do you know or have in your family, ladies from the Philippines?

It's fact . I know of 2 women who did this and a lot of men go to the Philippines and come back with a wife .

I had a close family male member who married a lady from the Philippines and after a month of marriage she disappeared. After quite a longish while he had divorce paperwork come through. She'd moved to a different part of the country so she wouldn't be found .

They plan it all. I know 3 older men who have married Thai women and they all spend ages on the phone to Thai friends who now live over here.
The men are pleased they have a connection until they run off to be with their friends miles away. Very cunning.

Ah thanks for explaining that you know 3 instances of what you claim is “lots” of women from the Philippines.
Hardly overwhelming evidence.

You only have to watch TV , it's common now.

I see that intel is finally paying off.
I’ve mentioned here before the corruption at the Bulgaria / Turkish border.
I lived in Bulgaria for some years and made many trips across that border with a friend who imported gold/silver into Bulgaria. There was an import tax to be paid unless the your friendly 😉 border guard came on board.

Now of course we know that jewellery and inflatables are very different but the only difference is how big a bribe is someone prepared to take. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy3x1gwn48o

StripeyGran

*What people are frustrated and angry about is the here and now*

Do you join in those odious protests, baying outside Hotels?

Just wondered.

Do you?
I have never been to a protest of any kind in all my life. I strongly suspect you have and do.

woodenspoon

Whether they’re Philippine, Thai or whatever, there’s a long history of marriages like this happening. However, what they’re not doing is landing here with destroyed documents, committing criminal offences, they support themselves or their new spouse supports them in exchange for the obvious. This is not what people are getting angry about.
This is a diversion tactic, the same as droning on about the Empire.
What people are frustrated and angry about is the here and now.

droning on about the empire

A diversionary tactic?

In what way

LovesBach
Nothing new with that information. It’s been a thing here in the southeast for many years.
We know a Serbian who came to the uk and claimed to be from Kosovo ( Balkan war )
He set up his first car wash ( money laundering was a lot easier then) bought property, bought more car washes, employed more illegal migrants, housed them in the property he had bought sleeping cheek by jowl.
And on it goes.

What people are frustrated and angry about is the here and now

Do you join in those odious protests, baying outside Hotels?

Just wondered.

Whether they’re Philippine, Thai or whatever, there’s a long history of marriages like this happening. However, what they’re not doing is landing here with destroyed documents, committing criminal offences, they support themselves or their new spouse supports them in exchange for the obvious. This is not what people are getting angry about.
This is a diversion tactic, the same as droning on about the Empire.
What people are frustrated and angry about is the here and now.

Hardly overwhelming and hardly surprising that some women would see an opportunity to get a better life. I often see frankly very unattractive men with attractive younger women who look to be Philippino and wonder how long she’ll be a bought wife

Nanato3
“It's fact . I know of 2 women who did this and a lot of men go to the Philippines and come back with a wife .

I had a close family male member who married a lady from the Philippines and after a month of marriage she disappeared. After quite a longish while he had divorce paperwork come through. She'd moved to a different part of the country so she wouldn't be found .”

Ah thanks for explaining that you know 3 instances of what you claim is “lots” of women from the Philippines.
Hardly overwhelming evidence.

If only we could come back in 100 years. We wouldn’t recognise the country we grew up in. Different cultures, different faiths, many not trying to integrate. Many from countries who currently want to wipe each other out. We are just inviting trouble by allowing so many people to come here. We should be helping them in their own country. In the last couple of years the town I live in is unrecognisable from 10 years ago.

if they are genuine refugees, why do they give £ thousands to these gangs to get bundled into a small dingy instead of coming in by legal means and why do they get into this country without a passport

I understood that the rule/law has been changed so that so-called 'sham' marriages cannot be used to gain citizenship so easily.

That makes it difficult for those in a genuine marriage to someone from overseas.