Of course it was defensive and with good reason.
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In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.
Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?
Are today's refugees really any different?
When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.
Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.
Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.
On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?
Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.
The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.
Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.
Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.
Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.
When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.
By Barbara Fox
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Of course it was defensive and with good reason.
And the things said by mair to others are acceptable, are they, roses?
I have no web to spin, whitewave. I am not a spider.
It is indeed very strange that so many of Mair's posts have been deleted.
Perhaps you could enlighten us, dhurhamjen - what has Mair said that was so offensive?
Did I say offensive, Ana?
Back to the thread, if you can be bothered.
Just because you don't like another poster's point of view does not give you leave to say things like they have no humanity ( for starters) djen and I can't see that flinging insults around adds anything, so why do it?
Look at the way you post....' back to the thread, if you can be bothered'! More sarcasm.
Now look at the way Jalima debates djen and see the difference.
I don't recall it being that bad
I do think that a number of posters on here are objecting to Mair's posts via the report button when nothing personal or rude has been said
Ana rosesarered
I think I am fairly reasonable but I thought it was bad - and rude and personal (not about me). But I did not report it because I think it is better to let rude posts stand so that other posters can make their own judgement.
Far better to carry on debating the issue.
Do you agree, roses and Ana?
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As European and world leaders approach the World Economic Forum in Davos, they should reflect on the growing number of helpless migrants who have frozen to death in the current cold weather.
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For the past three years, the International Organization for Migration (IOM), the UN’s migration agency, has been compiling data on migrant and refugees deaths for its Missing Migrants Project. We have calculated 18,501 deaths and migrants missing, most of them drowned in the Mediterranean and other deadly spots.
Nearly 7,500 of those worldwide fatalities were recorded last year, a total that is certain to rise as the last pieces of 2016 data are processed.
This is an astounding statistic: roughly 17 men, women and children perishing every day for the last 1,096 days, or nearly one every hour."
This is what we should be talking about.
Those rich people meeting in Davos could easily solve the problem if they had the will.
Now could I request you put away your spoons and try to resist innuendo and spin
whitewave there is one big spoon being waved around on here and I don't think that Ana and roses have been wielding it
I think you are right about others seeing the posts Jalima and much better for posters to form their own judgement.I certainly have had plenty thrown my way in my time on Gransnet, and have to say that I can never understand why some are allowed to stay and others deleted by mods.
I have enjoyed reading this discussion by most of the posters, including yourself and Mair and think you both have good debating skills.
Written by David Miliband
President, International Rescue Committee
www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/for-refugees-2016-was-the-deadliest-year-yet-this-year-we-have-the-chance-to-act
There is also an offer for helicopter services (for delegates, not refugees) and I am wondering what is on the menu at Davos.
Thanks for the link, Jalima.
It didn't work in 2016, did it?
How to turn a challenge into an opportunity. Very dispiriting.
I am wondering if I could change my mind about Tony Blair if he handed over all his rental property to refugee councils.
A hard one, that.
I don't know about my debating skills, I think I wander off piste too much 
Nothing in the article about the UK taking our fair share.
"our fair share"
Perhaps you agree with American billionaire George Soros that Europe should take in "at least a million" refugees every year and let them choose where they want to live?
He also wants to see supra national governance.
Britain has in recent years taken far more than our 'fair share' of all kinds of migrants, including refugees.
People have had enough. Its high time those who want to help refugees and economic migrants got on and did what they can do personally (donating their own money for example), rather than attempting to impose their policies on a population which has had enough, resorting to half truths and concealment and trying to get voices who speak against their dangerous views silenced.
Off piste can be good Jamila ( or even off pissed.)

No we haven't, mair. We haven't had more than our fair share and we haven't had enough. YOU might have, but I have a feeling you don't like helping people anyway.
I think you'll find that those of us who want to help refugees and migrants do donate our own money.
What's dangerous about wanting to help people who have lost everything?
What do you mean by resorting to half truths and concealment? I am quite honest and open about what I want the country to do.
I really do feel sorry for you. You see conspiracy everywhere.
I have a feeling you don't like helping people anyway.
Personal insults again I note>
Should I report you?
No I'll let it stand.
What do you mean by resorting to half truths and concealment?
The charities have been lying through their teeth about the alleged 'young unaccompanied children ' who were allegedly in Calais.
There was a claim some were as young as eight! And people were initially taken in by this nonsense!
Of course there are some young children , but they are with their parents!
Concealment, yes metaphorical, concealing more unpalatable facts, and physically hiding the so called 'children' when they arrived in Croydon.
"I am wondering what is on the menu at Davos"
A very nice dinner I imagine!
So I looked at Croydon and found it very heartening that people are asking for more refugees to come.
www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/campaigners-call-for-more-child-migrants-to-arrive-through-lunar-house/story-30006317-detail/story.html
Signs saying 'Refugees welcome' are very hopeful.
A few No Borders extremists, and some of them immigrants probably from the countries the migrants are coming from.
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