‘Spare’ by Prince Harry

I'm not a hater. I just like the truth me too maddy.

Like any parent, I'm sure Charles has made mistakes and has regrets. I'm not really a fan of his but I feel sorry for him that Harry has made his feelings or experiences public.

It may feel cathartic for Harry, but I expect he will live to regret it. I also wonder whether his kids will crave the royal life and their grandparents, Charles and Camilla.

Sometimes I think it really angers our almost estranged kids when they see how much their kids love us- and in my case I think my son's jealousy made him cut us off. My Mother did everything to poison me against her parents and my Father's parents. But it did not work.

I wonder if Lily and Harry will rebel and crave Royal life. Haha, I wouldn't be surprised if Harry shoots himself in the foot.

If my parents were H&M I think I'd grow up and want to stay at the palace

Smileless2012

There's a huge difference between events being broadcast because tv cameras were, there as opposed to American tv cameras being notified in advance to ensure that they would be there volver, if that was the case.

I'm sure her GC looked sad because they were. Their GM had died.

I'm afraid if you think its perfectly natural that the BBC (or ITV, or whoever) just naturally turn up at these events because they are so overwhelmed with respect for the RF, then you are wrong. sorry. They are televising whatever it is that they know the public will lap up.

How do you know the Netflix cameras were there by the way? Is there a picture? Or is it a report in the Daily Whatever?

Of course the grandchildren were sad. Did we need to see them all marching along to the catafalque? Really, did we need to see it? Did we need to have minute by minute coverage of it?

I recall when the Queen Mother was lying in state it was reported on the news that the 4 grandsons were standing vigil at the catafalque. That was dignified. Not staged.

maddyone

Yes indeed volver. It was a very sad time for the royal family, and also for thousands upon thousands of ordinary people. Although I would prefer a republic, I can understand that people were sad and needed to grieve in their own way. The press have reported that the Queen planned her own funeral down to the last detail. It was certainly very ostentatious in my view, but it was what she wanted and as our HofS who reigned for seventy years, I think that was okay. I hope our next state funeral will not be so ostentatious or expensive.

It was a coincidence that Harry and Meghan were here, as they were apparently appearing at a couple of engagements to do with Harry’s charities. It was reported that they refused an invitation to Balmoral to see the Queen. If that is the case, Harry will have to live with that for the rest of his life. It was also reported that Harry arrived later than the others at Balmoral because he wasted time trying to persuade Charles that Meghan should go with him. Whatever, he was the last to arrive. It was reported that Harry turned down an invitation to dine with his father and brother at his father’s Scottish residence on the night of the Queen’s death and he was photographed leaving Balmoral early the next morning.

Whilst being fully aware of the foibles of the press, it seems unlikely to me that all of this has been completely made up, it is likely very near the truth and has been leaked. Some of it is verifiable by photographs. I think therefore that the royals have reached out and been rebuffed at every turn. It is also reported that Charles is very saddened by the rift between himself and Harry. As a parent, I’m sure he is devastated.

It was reported that they refused

If that is the case,

It was also reported that

It was reported

Any actual facts then? Or just supposition?

I'm going to insist on that pony.

What was the point of the pony being there? And the corgis?

Sentimentality and a good image for the TV cameras.

The RF are past masters at PR and complaining because somebody else is too, is too comical for words.

I doubt the animals benefitted from it or understood, although they might have done.

OnwardandUpward

I doubt the animals benefitted from it or understood, although they might have done.

Indeed.

So why were they there?

Every generation thinks they will do better than the last. But THIS generation, oh, they despise their parents and put themselves on a pedestal, pointing the finger , acting like entitled victims- yet they have no idea how hard parenting becomes and the mistakes they are yet to make.

I won't be buying Harry's book. I'm sorry for him as he is clearly damaged, but I don't think writing a book is acceptable, given his upbringing. It's a low blow for the RF. He needs to go away and grow up, get counselling and do some good works for charity, bring up his kids to adulthood in dignity without bleating- otherwise he's showing them that if you don't like your parenting you just write a book and expose it. Not a healthy example to set your kids!

Oh dear. I’m half afraid to admit that we took my MILs horses and dogs to her funeral. She loved them so much it just felt right.

The funeral was at a Green burial place, in case anyone is shocked.

do some good works for charity

So the Invictus games, Sentibale and Archewell isn't enough good work?

Gosh, you have high standards.

Lathyrus

Oh dear. I’m half afraid to admit that we took my MILs horses and dogs to her funeral. She loved them so much it just felt right.

The funeral was at a Green burial place, in case anyone is shocked.

I know exactly what you mean.

Did you know that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone always goes and tells the Bees 🐝

They told the bees the Queen had died too.

How do I know that? Great PR story...

I was just having a long think about conversations about the past with both my parents and my children, and the number of times I heard “no I did not/Yes you certainly did/it was nothing like that etc./ I didn’t say that etc etc. The Queen definitely got it right with ‘Recollections may vary’. There is often no intention to mislead, we all remember things from our own perspective. This has now become labelled “My truth” but as soon as I see that written down, quite honestly I start to doubt it.

That said, as an outsider looking in, with no first hand knowledge of a situation, conclusions are inevitably drawn as a result of hearsay, who knows what the truth is, and frankly who really cares. Honestly, what true difference does it make to any of us, aside from having a good old gossip….. and really that is not a hanging offence is it?

volver I would be astounded had they not ‘Told the Bees’.

Yes volver, it was reported. I didn’t claim these things were facts but it’s highly unlikely that the press/reporters simply made all those things up. They rely on ‘off the record’ people who do actually do know but don’t want to be identified. In other word, leaks! You know this as well as I do, you’re simply unwilling to accept anything other than a hard, provable fact which as a scientist doesn’t surprise me. But it’s not the way the world works in the news industry. The timeline cannot be disputed though. Harry arrived some time after the others although he was in Windsor just as they were. He was photographed leaving first, alone. Now fit in the leaks and you can build the picture easily. We are not in a science lab and life isn’t lived like that. But you know that.

I wonder if the dogs and the horse was in the Queen’s own plan, or if was added as a nice touch. I’m sure the animals had no idea what was going on, but I think they’ll miss her, especially the dogs.

But you (general) believe them maddyone. I saw it "reported" that the king held back from telling Harry about the Queen for several hours. I've no idea if its true or not, but I know that people believe what reinforces their preconceptions. And that little titbit doesn't reinforce the preconceptions that the anti M&H people have.

I can almost guarantee you that someone will come along and say something to the effect of "well that's not true but you would think that because you love Meghan".

And its highly likely that they were all made up. That's exactly how it works.

Prince Harry is a good sort and has done a lot of good work. However he should change his image if he wants to be taken seriously. Whooping it up in California lacks gravitas.

Similarly King Charles is a good man. However I can't understand how he thinks we can take seriously a man who kills birds for fun.

Do we want a Head of State elected by people who can’t be bothered about Parliamentary Acts?

We have that already King that can't do anything Except what PM asks. He does not defend the laws of our constitution from PM who is then able to break those laws.

No volver, that’s not exactly what I said. What I said was it was…..reported that Harry arrived later than the others at Balmoral because he wasted time trying to persuade Charles that Meghan should go with him.
We do know that Harry arrived some time after the others. That’s a fact. I think that’s it’s highly likely that the leaks provided the answer. Unfortunately people who leak will rarely, if ever, agree to being identified. I think it’s highly likely that it’s true, you think it’s probably not true. Neither of us can swear we know the absolute truth, so we have to agree to differ on our interpretation of what’s likely to have happened

Grany

^Do we want a Head of State elected by people who can’t be bothered about Parliamentary Acts?^

We have that already King that can't do anything Except what PM asks. He does not defend the laws of our constitution from PM who is then able to break those laws.

Not quite the same thing as someone who bases their ‘knowledge” and comments on what the Press prints though.

That’s just lazy or worse.

There is also the puzzling fact that it was announced that Harry and Meghan were going to travel to Balmoral together. Then a time lapse during which the other royals arrived at the plane which was to take them to Scotland. We know this as a fact. We know Harry did not arrive at the plane and eventually it took off without him. Some time later Harry flew up to Scotland alone. After an announcement that he would be going with Meghan. But we know Meghan didn’t go.

Grany

^Do we want a Head of State elected by people who can’t be bothered about Parliamentary Acts?^

We have that already King that can't do anything Except what PM asks. He does not defend the laws of our constitution from PM who is then able to break those laws.

Lathyrus what we have now is a king with no checks and balances on parliment PM it's like a football match with no referee.

An elected president would have no political power but would have limited power the one important one is to defend our constitution against a PM who is breaking the laws of our constitution.

Neither of us can swear we know the absolute truth

No, we can't. But you choose to believe the version that reflects badly on Harry. Sorry to be blunt, but you always do.