‘Spare’ by Prince Harry

Those who think H&M have behaved badly will believe anything that proves them right. Those who think they have been badly treated will believe anything that supports that view.
Whether any versions are facts or not.
QED

I know volver and you slways do the opposite It’s just the way we are.

always

How do you feel about the fact that the RF's every move was on BBC TV every minute for days? That we got to see teenagers standing by their granny's coffin looking sad? That we got scenes of sad crowds and lined up tractors? And that blooming pony.

It's all a PR stunt. All of it.

No Volver it wasn’t all PR set up by the RF. You’ve decided it was because that’s what floats your boat. Nobody forced all those people to queue for hours on end and overnight in Scotland and England. Nobody forced farmers to line tractors up in a field in Scotland as the Queen’s coffin went past.

Many people wished to pay their respects and did so but it wasn’t a PR stunt staged by the RF who, incidentally, wouldn’t have enjoyed having the cameras on them continuously whilst grieving for a much loved mother and granny.

We agree about the republic though. We wouldn’t be able to have these discussions though if ever the day arrives

GrannyGravy13

Lathyrus

Oh dear. I’m half afraid to admit that we took my MILs horses and dogs to her funeral. She loved them so much it just felt right.

The funeral was at a Green burial place, in case anyone is shocked.

I know exactly what you mean.

Did you know that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone always goes and tells the Bees 🐝

I took my young lab to mr i’s grave yesterday, to say good bye. The dogs were with their usual much loved boarder over the 9 days mr I was in hospital so I could be with him. The young lab has clearly been fretting - no doubt tuned into me but also looking for his man

I see another thread’s been deleted in my absence- no surprise. I wonder if this one will be gone when I return

But whatever else I am, I’m definitely not a hater. I’m just an interested observer.

maddyone

We agree about the republic though. We wouldn’t be able to have these discussions though if ever the day arrives

I'm sure we could find something else to discuss maddyone

Oh that is hard Iam to see your dog upset. As I said upthread I don’t think the animals will have had any understanding about what had happened to the Queen, but they, especially the dogs, will certainly miss her.

tickingbird

^How do you feel about the fact that the RF's every move was on BBC TV every minute for days? That we got to see teenagers standing by their granny's coffin looking sad? That we got scenes of sad crowds and lined up tractors? And that blooming pony.^

It's all a PR stunt. All of it.

No Volver it wasn’t all PR set up by the RF. You’ve decided it was because that’s what floats your boat. Nobody forced all those people to queue for hours on end and overnight in Scotland and England. Nobody forced farmers to line tractors up in a field in Scotland as the Queen’s coffin went past.

Many people wished to pay their respects and did so but it wasn’t a PR stunt staged by the RF who, incidentally, wouldn’t have enjoyed having the cameras on them continuously whilst grieving for a much loved mother and granny.

There's a perfectly good international airport in Aberdeen. Takes less than an hour to fly to Edinburgh. So why was it they needed to take six hours to drive from Balmoral to Holyrood?

Oh yes. For the tractors.

Mollygo

MissAdventure

How,does anyone know that a phone call was made, though?

And that’s the problem.
How do we know anything, except what we actually see, rather than hearsay spread by the whispers method. You could see the Oprah business, or the Diana interview, though that is now said to have been manipulated.
Those who think H&M have behaved badly will believe anything that proves them right. Those who think they have been badly treated will believe anything that supports that view.
It keeps GN busy and the magazines and newspapers selling so that means people keeping their mind active and providing jobs in these hard times so at least that’s two positives.

How does the public know any gossip referring to public figures to be true? Unless aloud in their own words (on TV by example), who knows if all the phone calls, invitations, turned down invitations, are indeed facts?

Salad bar at a 4.99 - in 1994, when Meghan was 13 years old- (inflation quote) "$1 in 1994 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $2.00 today, an increase of $1.00 over 28 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.51% per year between 1994 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 100.28%." Appears to me to be a normal lower middle class type of restaurant which seems the point to her letter to support parental leave.

Meghan's college: "A filing by Meghan's lawyers last week read: "Mr Markle did not pay for all of [Meghan's] college tuition. [Meghan's] mother also contributed towards her university costs. In addition, [Meghan] received scholarships for academic achievement, which reduced the payable tuition fees. [Meghan] also undertook a work-study programme whereby income she made from working on campus after class was applied directly to supplement and lower her tuition costs, thus personally contributing to her tuition as well."

Again, normal lower middle class

However, as usual, it seems opinions vary.

I didn't say the cameras were there volver, in my post you quoted I said if that is the case.

In your response to maddy you said "you choose to believe the version that reflects badly on Harry" where as you choose to disbelieve anything that reflects badly on him or M.

"So why was it they needed to take six hours to drive from Balmoral to Holyrood?* Well obviously so those who wanted too, could pay their respects. The hearse contained a lot of glass at the late Queen's request so she could be seen by those who wanted to see her.

Iam they'll miss him and of course wont understand why he is no longer there.

So why was it they needed to take six hours to drive from Balmoral to Holyrood?* Well obviously so those who wanted too, could pay their respects. The hearse contained a lot of glass at the late Queen's request so she could be seen by those who wanted to see her.

This is the point Smileless.

Some people want to "pay their respects" by standing on a roadside while a cortège drives by. So some people will want to know, why were the people of Dundee accorded this opportunity but the people of Darlington weren't? Some might say because it's a nice little photo op to have lots of people standing on a roadside in Scotland, too good an opportunity to miss. Too difficult to set up for everybody else though.

(Not sure what your first sentence means, just want to say I'm not ignoring it.)

No need to ignore it volver. If you don't understand I'm happy to explain. In response to a post of mine you quoted you asked how I knew the cameras (US tv) were there; I never said they were.

That question would have to be asked of those who made the arrangements but no doubt had the entire journey to London been made by road, passing through as many villages, towns and cities as possible, you would still have regarded the entire thing as "too good an opportunity to miss".

First paragraph - Understood, thank you. It was just a general question though, everyone saying that the Netflix cameras had been tipped off to be there, but I just wondered if anyone knew whether they actually were there or not.

Secondly, (and I will get shot down in flames for this, I know 🥺) The whole funeral event was PR. The whole thing was too good an opportunity to miss. Everything the RF does in public is an opportunity too good to miss.

Choreographed "vigils" lasting 10 minutes; sad, cute ponies; 10-mile-long queues that could have been avoided with a ticketing system; six hour drives instead of 45 minute flights.

I know it's not new, didn't Edward I's wife process through most of England after she died? But it is PR. It just is 🤷🏼‍♀️.

In your opinion The whole funeral event was PR volver, not in mine.

At great risk of needing a tinfoil hat, I think that for all the advantages Harry has had it is a very poor show to turn on your closest family in print. Every family has its issues, but IMO dirty washing should not be sold to the highest bidder.

I held no brief for Diana, I thought she came across as needy, manipulative and unhinged. I think Harry is exhibiting the same traits.

From the outset, I thought Meghan was in it for the kudos and notoriety, the fact that she is from such a dysfunctional background made alarm bells ring for me, and she has not disappointed in that regard.

I have no doubt that Prince Charles could not fill the loving, motherly, gap Diana left, but he clearly cares for his sons and his extended family, but perhaps lacked the emotional intelligence to convey that in a way Harry, in particular, needed.

William seems the most level-headed of them all and I suspect that is down to Kate being 'ordinary' and having a different perspective to that which William would have been exposed to had he married from royal breeding stock.

I do think that had Diana lived she would not be as deified as she now is, death created a person and a character which did not match reality IMO. However, I have no doubt that the rift between William and Harry would not have persisted as I think it would have broken her heart to see what is going on between them now and she would have been the peacemaker. I also think she would have advised Harry against the book.

maddyone

Oh that is hard Iam to see your dog upset. As I said upthread I don’t think the animals will have had any understanding about what had happened to the Queen, but they, especially the dogs, will certainly miss her.

When my mother died and we arrived home after travelling back from the funeral, we picked up our dog from a friend and he jumped into the favourite chair she used at our house. He wasn't allowed on the furniture normally. He refused to jump down but just lay there, head on paws, looking sad, for the rest of the day.
How did he know?

she my mother, not the friend to avoid misunderstanding

They know more than we give them credit for Callistemon.

Smileless2012

In your opinion The whole funeral event was PR volver, not in mine.

Everything Meghan and Harry do is PR.

The funeral was a State occasion for our Head of State.

Millions of people witnessed Lincoln's funeral procession from Washington, D.C. on April 19, 1865, as his casket was transported 1,700 miles (2,700 km) through New York City to Springfield, Illinois. Lincoln was the first president to lie in state in the United States Capitol Rotunda

Remember a tiny John F Kennedy Jr saluting his father's coffin? Millions lined the routes. The funeral was modelled on that of Lincoln.

They were State funerals for Heads of State.

Smileless2012

They know more than we give them credit for Callistemon.

He knew although my mother wasn't living with us when she died.
It was very strange.

Volver asks why the Queen's coffin was driven from Balmoral to Edinburgh, taking 6 hours by road instead of 45 minutes by air.

For one thing, the people past whom she was driven considered themselves her neighbours. Her ceremonial duties were kept to a minimum in Scotland and when she was at Balmoral she was "off duty" Many of the neighbours (and tourists too) had memories of meeting her in the hills complete with headscarf and dogs, like any other Scottish countrydweller. Once she was on the plane at Turnhouse, she had left Scotland for good. As she arrived at Northolt, someone said "She's come home" as though she had died in Timbuctoo. The funeral ceremonies and "drive-past" were to be in London and Windsor, the interral at Windsor, (nothing of note was planned for Sandringham) Had she been whipped off to Northolt at the earliest opportunity, there would have been no chance for her Scotttish neighbours to pay their respects.

Why the slow drive? Because that is the respectful speed that is customary for an occupied hearse to travel. Why the tractor guard of honour? Why not? An imaginative move by local farmers, and good for them. I don't suppose it was PR, pre-organised by the Palace specifically as a marketing ploy, it had all the trademarks of a "great wheeze" thought up by some farmer who planned to stand his kids on his tractor to get a better view and expanded that idea to include his friends.

Secondly, the logistics of flying the coffin from Edinburgh may have been better than from Aberdeen. It was a big plane to accommodate. Plus, the hearse would have had to drive from Balmoral to Aberdeen anyway, and once they were on their way, they might as well drive down to Edinburgh.

Perhaps, also, it gave the family time to get home to London themselves in time to meet the coffin on its arrival? That would take a while, even for them.

The residents of Aberdeen and all points south on the A90 don’t consider the Queen their "neighbour", that’s just not true.

Plus, the hearse would have had to drive from Balmoral to Aberdeen anyway, and once they were on their way, they might as well drive down to Edinburgh.
Balmoral to Dyce – hour and a half tops. Balmoral to Turnhouse – six-ish hours? With a stop off at Brechin Castle Services to stretch their legs.

It was a big plane to accommodate.
Dyce isn't a backwater. If it can accommodate the world's largest cargo plane, I'm sure it could accommodate whatever was needed for the flight of the Queen's casket to Edinburgh.

www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/north-sea/194683/worlds-largest-cargo-plane-delivers-helicopters-to-aberdeen/

The drive down the A90 done for ceremonial and spectacle, not for convenience.