An extra 600 million for Social Care in the Budget.

I really hope so too..

Can one department use another's funds?

MissAdventure

Can one department use another's funds?

Oh yes - various departments have been quietly siphoning off the National Insurance pot for decades. That's why, when John Major's government realised there wasn't going to be enough to meet the pension bill the simple answer was to add another 5 years onto women's pension age, then Wee Georgie Osborne thought it was a wizard idea to add another year and telescope the whole process.

And anyone, any women who claims "well, I knew all about it!" has obviously been "tutored" by her husband to say the right thing because she is financially dependent on him......

Thank you.
Lots to take in there.

mae13

MissAdventure

Can one department use another's funds?

Oh yes - various departments have been quietly siphoning off the National Insurance pot for decades. That's why, when John Major's government realised there wasn't going to be enough to meet the pension bill the simple answer was to add another 5 years onto women's pension age, then Wee Georgie Osborne thought it was a wizard idea to add another year and telescope the whole process.

And anyone, any women who claims "well, I knew all about it!" has obviously been "tutored" by her husband to say the right thing because she is financially dependent on him......

What on earth are you on about?

I was married when the first increase in SPA for women was announced, but I don't know what my husband was supposed to have tutored me to say. I certainly wasn't financially dependent on him.

It's nothing to do with social care anyway.

The money was announced as going directly to local councils

"The at least £600m in additional social care resource is part of a planned £1.3bn in extra grant funding for councils in 2025-26."

Check that out here:

www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/10/30/600m-boost-for-social-care-next-year-announced-in-budget/#:~:text=£600m%20for%20social%20care,for%20councils%20in%202025%2D26.

How far will 600 million go spread across the country?

I'm glad to reassure people, but it took seconds to check O/P claims it wasn't going to stay in the central govt pots.

Limited, madalene - the Guardian said yesterday it was good news/right direction but only first steps.

Yep Wyllow.

It wont stop local authorities robbing people of their inheritance to pay greedy care home fees.

As for yesterdays Budget, well one of my son's owns a small building business with six men working for him, so he's going to be affected by the NI increase.
One of my other son's works as a Facilities Manager for a private school and they will be hit by the VAT increase.
This school is a sizeable employer in our small town and he lives in a tied house. Very worrying.

Excellent news!
I hope will be ring-fenced, so that councils can't be coerced into spending it on mending the roads if they have to make other cuts.
A risk I see is other services - esp the NHS - foisting their services onto social care as happened esp re mental health.

I have worked in Care homes for over 20 years and doubt that any frontline workers will see any of that in their wages
Minimum wage appears to be the norm
Mainly Indian staff in my care home now and they are lovely people but the English just don’t want to work for that wage or very few of them do.. 🤷‍♀️

biglouis

It wont stop local authorities robbing people of their inheritance to pay greedy care home fees.

How high would taxes have to be to stop that? Nothing you would consider touching with a bargepole, you can't have it both ways.

mae13

MissAdventure

Can one department use another's funds?

Oh yes - various departments have been quietly siphoning off the National Insurance pot for decades. That's why, when John Major's government realised there wasn't going to be enough to meet the pension bill the simple answer was to add another 5 years onto women's pension age, then Wee Georgie Osborne thought it was a wizard idea to add another year and telescope the whole process.

And anyone, any women who claims "well, I knew all about it!" has obviously been "tutored" by her husband to say the right thing because she is financially dependent on him......

I have no husband, and I knew all about the rise in pension age. I had a letter about it. I appreciate many didn't, but please dont tar all with the same brush, thank you.

T he OP is entirely incorrect and misleading.

No change there.

OldFrill

No change there.

💁 In the end giving out false information undermines credibility.

Social care is all in private hands. Anyone who owns or is involved in ownership does very well financially. This is because they pay ridiculously low salaries and provide minimum care, in homes and care homes. Until it’s unprivatised the system will never change. Brexit has created uncertainty and unnecessary change for the worse.

Anyone who really believes we shall see real, solid improvements in the NHS is, in my opinion, firmly in cloud cuckoo land. I'm sure it is quite easy to siphon money into government projects such as a clinic to 'treat' children who want (think they want) to change gender, and other, more expensive and wasteful projects that I have not memorised. Unemployment is sure to worsen because of the effect of the Budget on small businesses, the farmers are being penalised (but then, who needs real food when you are en route to a vegan/insect-eating dystopia??) And don't forget that stamp duty is going up sizeably in April. That will affect loads of people. This was not mentioned in the Budget, but Martin Lewis, has the details. Anyone who seriously thinks this is a government for the 'people' is - well - like I said, in cloud cuckoo land. Maybe that's the best place to be.

Sadly this Government will just keep on borrowing as have previous Labour Governments. Remember they promise millions here, billions there but they don’t have any money, it is our own money they are spending and it is our money that will have to repay the borrowing debts. Our debt for WWII was finally paid off in December 2006. Since then we have had Covid Pandemic which cost billions and we will be paying for that for years to come. With this lot in power our borrowing debt will get higher and higher and we the electorate will be paying ‘til eternity.

mae13

MissAdventure

Can one department use another's funds?

Oh yes - various departments have been quietly siphoning off the National Insurance pot for decades. That's why, when John Major's government realised there wasn't going to be enough to meet the pension bill the simple answer was to add another 5 years onto women's pension age, then Wee Georgie Osborne thought it was a wizard idea to add another year and telescope the whole process.

And anyone, any women who claims "well, I knew all about it!" has obviously been "tutored" by her husband to say the right thing because she is financially dependent on him......

My husband has no interest in tutoring me and he wouldn't get far if he tried. I knew about it, it was well publicised and I had no issue with equalising male and female retirement age. I do think the extra year was an issue for women who had little time to prepare.

WelwynWitch3

Sadly this Government will just keep on borrowing as have previous Labour Governments. Remember they promise millions here, billions there but they don’t have any money, it is our own money they are spending and it is our money that will have to repay the borrowing debts. Our debt for WWII was finally paid off in December 2006. Since then we have had Covid Pandemic which cost billions and we will be paying for that for years to come. With this lot in power our borrowing debt will get higher and higher and we the electorate will be paying ‘til eternity.

But this govt haven't promised "million here, millions there" - the amounts announced are very tight indeed, so tight that there are complaints in here, "it isn't enough". Or "money will be taken from this or that care budget"

They cant win, can they? Would you rather the 6 million pounds NOT be set aside for Care or allocated at all?