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Is hoisting a nursing need in a care home?

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Flower007 Tue 04-Mar-25 12:54:32

Mum is 90 and has been in a care home for the past nearly 5 weeks. Overall she hates it, but we know it is early days.
At the end of January the options we had were a hospital admission or 24 hour nursing home admission. The home we selected was at the high end price wise, but they could take Mum within 24 hours (at the time she was bedridden at home with a live in carer) and had a catheter. She had also previously viewed the home so knew what it was like.
There have been a few teething problems but the Home Manager has been responsive and has sorted them out.
Since being in the home, the catheter has been removed and although she cannot walk, she is being hoisted using a standing hoist. There are no actual nursing needs required now the catheter has gone, unless the hoist is counted as a nursing need? She obviously needs to be hoisted to use the commode.
The other residents on Mum's floor are quite poorly and mainly stay in their rooms. Although Mum has heart failure, etc., this is all controlled by medication and has been for the last 2 or 3 years. Mentally she is really switched on and this makes her situation now harder I think.
My question is, does anyone know if hoisting is a nursing need or a care need. If it's a care need would be be justified in asking the home if she could move to the ground floor which is residential care?

OldFrill Wed 05-Mar-25 22:59:50

icanhandthemback

I am assuming that it is cheaper in the Care section rather than the Nursing Section which is why you think she should move?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to look at the Care to be Different website and see what constitutes medical care as it is in split over several domains. If you feel your mother fits any of those, you might be entitled to a Nursing Care payment. If you aren't then you would have good grounds to ask for the move to Care Only.

I read it that on the nursing floor most of the residents stay in their rooms, mum being "mentally switched on" she would benefit from being on the care floor where she could interact with others and enjoy her time more. I didn't read anywhere that it was financial. I think the OP just wants the best for her mum.

Shinamae Wed 05-Mar-25 23:08:12

At my care home, we have a standing,aid,a Sara steady and a full hoist…

Shinamae Wed 05-Mar-25 23:08:40

Shinamae

At my care home, we have a standing,aid,a Sara steady and a full hoist…

Residential not nursing

GrauntyHelen Thu 06-Mar-25 00:56:31

Hoisting is a care need

Sheila4483 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:29:20

My mum also needed hoisting along with many other health problems. I would certainly ask if she could be moved but in my mum's case it was the care home who decided which wing was most suitable for her.

dogsmother Fri 07-Mar-25 08:14:23

I’d ask if she could be moved absolutely. If she is completely in charge of all other faculties she would need the stimulus.

icanhandthemback Fri 07-Mar-25 13:58:37

OldFrill

icanhandthemback

I am assuming that it is cheaper in the Care section rather than the Nursing Section which is why you think she should move?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to look at the Care to be Different website and see what constitutes medical care as it is in split over several domains. If you feel your mother fits any of those, you might be entitled to a Nursing Care payment. If you aren't then you would have good grounds to ask for the move to Care Only.

I read it that on the nursing floor most of the residents stay in their rooms, mum being "mentally switched on" she would benefit from being on the care floor where she could interact with others and enjoy her time more. I didn't read anywhere that it was financial. I think the OP just wants the best for her mum.

I wasn't sure of the reason, OldFrill which is why I put the question mark there. You may well be right. As for which floor the residents are on, a good care home would ensure that a resident would be able to use the facilities on other floors if it suited them better regardless of where they sleep. My Mum's care home has her on the non-dementia floor because although she has problems she isn't loud and uncontrollable. The Dementia floor patients often join her in the lounge and only go back up when they are distressed or going to bed. It may be that the OP needs to ensure that her mother is getting the socialisation rather than move rooms.

Greciangirl Fri 07-Mar-25 15:24:54

I think I would be thankful that Mum is being well looked after,.
She obviously needs some sort of support if unable to stand up.
Surely the hoist can only be a good thing.
Does your mum disapprove of the hoist, and if so, why?
Maybe try and explain it’s for her safety.

wibblywobblywobblebottom Fri 07-Mar-25 16:18:25

Hoisting is both.

Magrithea Fri 07-Mar-25 17:15:54

I'd say a care need if she needs to use it to get onto the commode. Is it a sling hoist i.e. she sits in a sling or chair or is it more of a standing frame where she is supported but holds on? Either are a care issue so if there's a room on the residential floor it sounds like she'd be happier there where she could see and chat to other residents

WoodLane7 Fri 07-Mar-25 18:32:06

I am in Social Care (a social work manager) and hoisting is classed as a care need; thousands of people live in their own home and are hoisted for all transfers and it is carers not nurses who do this

Aldom Fri 07-Mar-25 18:50:15

Greciangirl

I think I would be thankful that Mum is being well looked after,.
She obviously needs some sort of support if unable to stand up.
Surely the hoist can only be a good thing.
Does your mum disapprove of the hoist, and if so, why?
Maybe try and explain it’s for her safety.

The OP does not object to the hoist.
She just needs to know if her mum could be moved to the residential part of the care home so she can have the company of residents who would be good company. As the hoist is a care need, not a nursing need this is probably possible.