kitty, not having daughters, I wouldn't be able to make a comparison, but it's impossible to generalise about the male of the species. DS2 would certainly stock me up with toiletries - he goes to Sainsbury's and snaps up trolleyloads of special offers so that their bathroom is full of shampoos and shower gels not to mention toilet rolls. And as for what he comes home with from his bi-annual outing to the Next sale... And DS1 would keep me fed. I think I will have to find an oldies' flat somewhere between Sandhurst and Didcot, assuming that neither of them is going to move.