Good news. The ladies only classes have stopped at my leisure centre.

AND granny23 so do I. (Know many men of that age who try hard to be courteous, and have no idea that they are being patronizing. Cf above.) And I'm happy to let that be, but <not> if they cannot not see that hardened attitudes to women can lead to the acceptance of terrible treatment of women in the wider society. I don't rant and rave, just do a little consciousness raising.....!

Could not in a million years see Mr N . going to a gentlemans aerobic class .

Incidently , I like the term ladies . Cannot see what is wrong with it !

It's not for one poster to theorise on another poster's mental health! Not in print anyway. If you seriously think something is amiss, then report to HQ.

And if phoenix you think the remark "usual bullies" is more contentious - so be it.

Can you really nmot imagine how hurtful, and frustrating. it would be to have your mental health queried on here? [shakes head in disbelief!]

"Ladies" reminds me of nothing more than a public convenience.

anno

Each to her or his own as far as "ladies" (not the loos) is concerned, I think?

Well we have strayed a long way from the original post's assertion that henceforth women who wish to continue to have access to single sex classes must be prepared to go to the local authority gym at 11pm ( assuming any local authority employees were prepared to work at that hour) or find a private gym at greater expense, I imagine the local authority gym was not free . So if you are Muslim,Orthodox Jewish, Sikh,self-conscious, uncomfortable with men in baggy shorts getting too close, or unhappy about being out on the non-existent buses at midnight - tough
Fine - we know where we are now.
The reference may have been to ladies, but I am not hearing the words of a gentleman

I am surprised that there are not more members who feel that Frank deserves an apology? I feel that absent's comment was uncalled for AND rude.

To those who like to be described as ladies; that's fine if you prefer it, but what I object to is the use of the word as an equivalent to "men" when it should be "gentlemen". We are real people too, sometimes polite or in the loo (or both), when "ladies" would be appropriate, and sometimes just being people of the adult female sort, ie "women".

Excuse me. If anyone thinks that a post transgresses the GN rules the thing to do is to report it.

Night night, sleep tight...

In my opinion, each of us has the right to our personal point of view, including Frank. I think that so much of what I take offence (or not) at depends upon the context, and upon the intention behind it. and really, does anyone here truly believe that Frank is trying to demean or insult anyone? If someone were to insultingly call me a 'laydee', I'd be incensed, but really, fighting with Frank is like trying to pin jelly to the wall - a frustrating waste of time! I like to think of myself as as 'strident feminist' (see How to be a Woman, Caitlin Moran), but cannot get worked up about the views of a somehat old-fashioned man, who as far as I can see, means no harm - and whose mind no amount of reasoned argument will change!

I'm not surprised soop.

Ok jess. I will report it. But you know as well as I do that they will do nothing. Because the website is all. and sod who gets hurt

hummingbird, thank you for a well-considered post. I agree with you that there is nothing to be gained by arguing about this issue any longer.

In my opinion, the OP was intended provocatively. And it worked.

Interesting observation Lilygran -[spoon] emoticon?

Mmmm Lilygran! You could be right.

Hi

Well you may be shocked but a man asked at the reception if bums and tums was for women and the cashier said it is just as much for men as for women and another woman from the class assured him that was the case.
As it happened 2 other men were there when we got to the room. They tend to move from class to class as they work at the hospital.
2 of the women just told him to come in and have some fun.
He did stay and one of the women told him he did very well for a first time. I could not confirm this as I could not see him most of the time.
He said he will be back next week and will come again on Thursday.

Frank

Takes more than that to shock a Gran.
Try harder?

Frank, you're priceless!

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Ahh, love him. There's no boy like an old boy.

Frank claims to be 63 - an "old boy"?
What does that make many of us??