Good news. The ladies only classes have stopped at my leisure centre.

Is it all really not somewhat provocative? The OP is relatively young to express such "old" views.

Does anybody else remember the "Young Fogeys" of what, the 70's?? They affected the mannerisms and attitudes of their grandfathers. Are you a "young getting on a bit fogey" Frank?

But then Ariadne there are people who are quite extraordinarily elderly in their views and, indeed, in other aspects of their lives in their thirties. You can even encounter little boys who talk as if they were middle-aged men. Girls and young women, on the other hand, do the "being older than their years" in a completely different sort of way.

i work in that much maligned profession 'whisper equalities ' - we have sometimes run women only events , and indeed I belong to a women's network, it is not just religious and cultural backgrounds that necessitate female only sessions, but sadly due to Domestic Violence, we have had to run sessions for women from the refuge - really , you would be astonished at the lengths some abusive partners go to to track people down ( one even had his sister pose as a victim to get access to the refuge...)

I am often asked when I will run men only events, and always say that I'd love too, but as soon as I ask the gentleman if what he would like to do to help, ie join a committee etc, they seem to lose interest

Thanks for adding that susieb755 . Unfortunately I think HunterF is in denial about the need for any form of women-only amenities as long as he and his pals are OK.

Call me old fashioned but I really can't see the problem with having some women only or indeed men only classes. There are some women ( and men) who would prefer to exercise with people of their own sex and I really can't see a problem with that. Or is it just me?

No, I think it is just Frank and his chums who think it is unfair and that women who want single sex classes should pay to go privately turn out at 11pm as this is a time he and his buddies wouldn't want to use the facilities. QED

j0 whenever I have reported something I have found GN to be very reasonable and helpful. Only last week i reported something that I thought stepped over the mark and it was deleted, along with the comments on it.
On one occasion we had a debate about whether a post was potentially inciting racial hatred and they eventually agreed with me and deleted the post. If you are unhappy with posts and feel they overstep the mark in terms of the guidelines then report them.

JessM She did – or someone else did – and it's been deleted. It would have been the best thing to do in the first place if the post seemed offensive, although it was not intended to be, rather than keep posting one liners. Ho hum.

I don't think asking to have a thread deleted because you think it is provocative is a good move. Many OPs are provocative; they are intended to provoke discussion. This particular discussion has now gone on for 8 pages and anyone who has read many of the discussions on GN would know that a remark that could be construed as mildly sexist would produce a deluge of comment. Which it has.

Lilygran It wasn't a request to delete the thread but a post that I made which was construed as offensive.

I did, and it was (deleted). Along with my bitches comment. (I did, of course, subsequently point out to GNHQ that I stood by that comment)

Sorry for another one-liner.

j07, don't apologise for your one-liners. We're having a conversation after all.

I'm not too keen on this trend for a Gransnetter to take it upon themselves to liaise with HQ to get posts deleted, unless they are the poster having second thoughts or the person the post is aimed at.

I had not realised this was going on behind the scenes, so to speak. I hope at least the complaining person will make it plain they are going to ask for something to be deleted, as JO5 did.

pettallus, It worries me also. Its all very well when someone breaks the rules, tries to advertise, is unambiguously offensive or harrasses someone but If a topic is not to ones taste then just dont join in.
I may not agree with many things said on here and will sometimes lob in a joking comment, but free speech is precious and in words of some wiser person than I, 'I may not agree with your views but I will defend your right to say them'.

Jings did the right thing. Frank deserves better than to be subjected to the kind of insensitive innuendo that would most certainly offend the majority of GN's. I rest my case.

Free speech is fine but suggesting that a poster has a mental health problem is IMO not fine. I think J0 did the right thing.

I think we should leave this subject before any more posts are deleted for rehashing something that has already been deleted. Suffice it to say that I was actually suggesting that posters might have reason to be a bit kinder and gentler in what they said. I apologise for upsetting anyone who was upset. It was not my intention. Can we stop now, please?

Yep!

Yes indeed. Just want to add that when we sign up to Ts and Cs we all agreed:

You represent, warrant, and covenant that you will not submit any user content that:

violates or infringes in any way upon the rights of others, including, but not limited to, any copyright, trademark, moral right, or other third party right of any person or entity;
impersonates another or is unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, obscene, harassing or otherwise objectionable;
contains a formula, instruction, or advice that could cause harm or injury;

" warrant, and covenant"! OMG - there must be loads of pics in my our Merlin thread that infringed copyright!

I, agree with soop and I find it very odd that the person whose offensive comment was deleted should have the gall to tell us that in her opinion we should leave the subject now.

Orca If posters keep going over and over a post that has been deleted, eventually the thread gets deleted because of all the references back to the deleted post. I have apologised to any one who was offended by what was clearly a very tactless remark that was never intended to be malicious.

I'm sure that there are other Gransnetters who have expressed themselves in a tactless manner before now. I see no reason for them or me to be "sent to coventry".

IMO if someone aplogises we should accept it and then drop that aspect of the thread.

Indeed Absent - I am sure you never intended to offend. This conversation does seem to have run its course.