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Yet another rant on bad grammer,spelling and punctuation

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dorsetpennt Wed 27-Mar-13 09:39:39

Can't find one of the other rants so have re-started this thread. Went to work yesterday and I always start off with a chat in our dining room before I go onto my shift. On our large tables are plastic upright notice boards with bulletins and the like for members of staff. One was about an upcoming election within our branch, it was announcing the date and who was standing for each department. This was written by someone fairly high up on the hierarchy though not yet a manager. There were ten glaring errors - so out came my trusty 'red'pen here's a few examples: Are instead of our and repersentative [both of which I put down to her Dorset accent], your instead of you are. That old favourite the mis-use of the apostrophe - when I asked those assembled what was it used for, I received blank looks - no one knew!! There were double l's when only one was necessary. She took it very well as I tried to be joking about it - she must have as she asked me to help re-do the notice with her - I also included a few commas and full stops, as the whole thing included no commas or full stops.
We can't say 'schools nowadays' as she is in her late fifties - but it is horrifying that not only did she not know that her notice was badly done, but several other members of staff weren't aware of it.

annodomini Wed 27-Mar-13 09:43:37

Why not put it in Pedants' Corner? There isn't much in the way of language use and misuse that hasn't been the subject of rants there.

Anne58 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:45:20

One of our local shops had a sign announcing a "closeing down sale"

PS dorset I think you may have had a slip of the finger in the title?

j08 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:45:21

So what do we put it down to? Simple ignorance? Not liking to read books?

Or that some people are really good at actually doing their chosen jobs, (in this case working on the management side of Waitrose) and have simply never paid much attention to the less important things in life?

j08 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:47:07

I can never remember if it's "grammer" or "grammar". grin

Elegran Wed 27-Mar-13 10:13:24

Aaarrrr, Jim lad!

Tegan Wed 27-Mar-13 10:13:50

We had a email sent to everyone at work with the heading 'learning disibilities'....confused

wisewoman Wed 27-Mar-13 10:22:12

Had lunch out yesterday in a pub. Menu stated that one of the starters was "Wild Bore Pate". When I pointed it out to the guy taking our order he just shrugged and said that everyone knew what it meant! DH and I had a laugh thinking about a couple of "bores" we know and whether they would make good pate.

Mishap Wed 27-Mar-13 10:27:16

This is an interesting topic. Why do so many people have a poor grasp of grammar and spelling? - and more importantly, does it actually matter?

I think the point that some people are excellent at their jobs but do not have the talent for grammar is a good one. It would seem that employers don't mind about it or the person would not be in their job.

Is it just about language developing? - the punctuation and spellings we use now are different from say 100 or 200 years ago. Sould we cease to wotty about it, as long as people know what is being said?

"Bored of" instead of "bored with" is a case in point - the former (pedantically incorrect) is so common now that it is almost universal - and we all know what is meant, so the language is performing its prime function of communication.

j08 Wed 27-Mar-13 10:41:55

Tegan that is funny! grin

grannyactivist Wed 27-Mar-13 10:43:44

Until I started teaching English as a second language I will admit to being a minor pedant. Nowadays I think I have a better grasp of the of the evolution of speech and don't sweat the dynamic nature of the written or spoken word. Could Shakespeare spell correctly? Did it matter to him? No, he used several variants of spelling as did all the writers and publishers of his day. Language is changing all the time.
Having said all of that I still wince at some of the howlers I see. confused

Lilygran Wed 27-Mar-13 10:48:11

That is interesting, Mishap. I think it must be like being tone deaf or not being able to reproduce a foreign language. It isn't anything to do with intelligence or even level of education. Wisewoman's waiter thought it didn't matter if you could understand what was meant and I suppose a lot of people think that. I wish I could be cheerful about it but I still shriek at the television when some presenter uses the wrong word. The whole family is the same. It must be genetic! confused. But we all use language very specifically in our jobs.

grannyactivist Wed 27-Mar-13 11:05:58

Edit button - where are you?

gracesmum Wed 27-Mar-13 11:22:16

OH ga - I read on expecting you to go on to say you had now become a major pedant!! I am disappointed.
I freely admit to pedantry in all its (note) colourful guises. As long as I can be criticised for either taking a wrong turning because I am rubbish at directions, for passing up on more than one parking space because I am rubbish at parking or burning the toast because I am on GN, I will reserve the right to criticise others who can't get their own language right.
There is a reason won[me words which sound the same are written differently - they are different words and we all know how a misplaced comma or apostrophe can change the meaning of a sentence." Let's eat, Grandma" being just one example.

grannyactivist Wed 27-Mar-13 11:34:40

Sorry to disappoint gracesmum. smile
I'm constantly urging my students to to consider the context when trying to decode a sentence. So, if a group of children are adrift on an island with grandma and are dying of starvation then the context would indicate (no punctuation) "let's eat grandma" to mean that grandma should be eaten. However, if a group of children are having a day out with grandma then "let's eat grandma" would indicate they want grandma to take them for a meal.

Movedalot Wed 27-Mar-13 12:06:02

Absolutely nothing to do with this thread but it reminded me of a closing down sale at a shop selling clothes for the larger lady. Huge banners outside said MASSIVE CLEARANCE SALE! It made us chuckle!

Ana Wed 27-Mar-13 12:07:47

That would have been even funnier if it had said MASSIVE CLOTHES SALE!
grin

absent Wed 27-Mar-13 13:32:09

Who was it came up with the superb example of a sentence that had to have an apostrophe to make sense? The sentence was: Those things over there are my husband's.

soop Wed 27-Mar-13 13:55:33

Titters...grin

grannyactivist Wed 27-Mar-13 14:16:15

Just seen: by one get one free! hmm

Wheniwasyourage Wed 27-Mar-13 17:46:46

What about commas which alter the meaning if misplaced? As in "This woman has no illness or disability which prevents her from working with food." I have seen a comma inserted after "disability", in which case the meaning changes completely.

annodomini Wed 27-Mar-13 18:30:46

Why do so many people think that the past tense of 'lead' is 'lead'? It is, of course, 'led', but it looks as if this may die of disuse/misuse.

annodomini Wed 27-Mar-13 18:30:54

Why do so many people think that the past tense of 'lead' is 'lead'? It is, of course, 'led', but it looks as if this may die of disuse/misuse.

Galen Wed 27-Mar-13 18:47:02

Perhaps because they are pronounced the same. Led by the hand and lead the metal?

Greatnan Thu 28-Mar-13 06:15:46

Don't you mean 'very pacifically', Lilygran?grin