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If Radio 1 do play that wretched song.....

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j08 Thu 11-Apr-13 18:43:02

on Sunday, then I believe it will show that this country has lost any small semblance of moral decency it was holding onto. And that the heads of a national institution have let all thoughts of ethical reasoning go out of the window in favour of political correctness.

I can only hope that it doesn't make number one.

But, my God, this country has sunk to an all-time low.

Very sad.

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:15:09

And you still haven't explained why you think why the Beeb should censor a song.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:13:16

I think Lord Hall is desperately trying to be politically correct.

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:12:40

Neither would I, liminetta, but that's beside the point. Some people do want to sing a song that contains those words, knowing that it will be associated with Thatcher. And what's more, they will, regardless of the censorship, proving that this censorship is as useless as it is wrong and stupid.

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:12:33

And why do think that 14 year olds are incapable of thought or discrimination?

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:10:11

And why do you define an objection to censorship as 'political correctness'?

liminetta Sat 13-Apr-13 21:09:36

I agree with almost all the comments about the song. Margaret was a hard headed , strong woman, but i would never call her a wicked witch!

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:08:22

I think what you want is the politically correct thing, jings. I and others are arguing for freedom of expression whether or not what is expressed is politically correct.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:59

Remember, the average age of the audience on Sunday will probably be around fourteen.

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:22

I don't care what the collective wisdom is, here or anywhere else. The collective wisdom has been shown to be wrong over and over again.

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:07

That comment is offensive. And you know it.

No one, as you very well know is inflicting unnecessary pain on a pair of 59 year olds who have an interesting past and who were not punctilious in visiting their mother.

What children need to be guided in is due courtesy, and far more importantly, using their minds to think for themselves using the evidence and not being swayed by uninformed prejudice.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:06:31

Which is most important to you, political correctness or the way our young people act towards one another in the future.

What kind of a society do you really want in the future?

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:05:46

Censorship is not respectful or kind.

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 21:03:07

If only a certain recently deceased politician had been so guided!

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:03:04

Oh, and nanaej. grin

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:02:06

I hope the the "collective wisdom of this forum" is n' t going to be Micelf and Bags. grin

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 21:02:00

J08 I get it.

I think children should be guided to understand that political censorship is unhealthy.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:59:10

I think the most basic kind of good guidance you can give to children and young people is to teach them to respect the feelings of others and to not inflict unnecessary pain. I would teach them that kindness is important.

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 20:53:48

I think those of us who are criticising censorship do "get it", completely.

Twitter is a useful tool for pertinent articles. Saves a lot of digging.

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 20:52:56

Perhaps you'd like to expand on your definition of 'good guidance'. Then the collective wisdom of this forum, at least, can give its opinion on the appropriateness or otherwise of what that definition is.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:50:41

I believe in good guidance for children and young people. Hopefully the Beeb will get it right on Sunday.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:48:29

It's actually j(numbers) 0 o

Can you see the difference?

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 20:44:36

'Get it' Jo numbers?

Do you believe in censorship, or don't you? That is the question.

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 20:44:11

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/may/13/bbc-palestine-lyric-mic-righteous

oops pushed post before I ticked the box!

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 20:43:30

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/may/13/bbc-palestine-lyric-mic-righteous

The BBC often fall short of its 'independence' & 'neutrality' and is swayed by lobby groups. see link.

I think that Ding Dong is a relatively innocuous and satirical way for people to express their views about MT and her political life. She was a public figure, sought publicity & planned her funeral. Her family will be used to the fact that a large number of Britain was not enamoured of her. She, her supporters and family, really don't need people on forums to be acting in her defence they are powerful people.

I think it is OK for us anti-Thatcherites to choose to express our dislike of her policies by buying a jokey song in a small attempt to counteract the vast amount of column inches and airspace the adulation and eulogising has taken up.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:41:27

As for the BBC, what is there left to say about it? Can it show The Wizard of Oz again? Can it only run the film after the 9pm watershed? Must the announcer warn: "This children's story contains Munchkin choruses that some viewers may find offensive"?"

I couldn't get any further than that. Where do you dig them up from 'Bags'? hmm

I don't think there is anything more I can say on this subject really. Either people get it or they don't. It's a bit sad but probably the way of the world today.