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If Radio 1 do play that wretched song.....

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j08 Thu 11-Apr-13 18:43:02

on Sunday, then I believe it will show that this country has lost any small semblance of moral decency it was holding onto. And that the heads of a national institution have let all thoughts of ethical reasoning go out of the window in favour of political correctness.

I can only hope that it doesn't make number one.

But, my God, this country has sunk to an all-time low.

Very sad.

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 20:52:56

Perhaps you'd like to expand on your definition of 'good guidance'. Then the collective wisdom of this forum, at least, can give its opinion on the appropriateness or otherwise of what that definition is.

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 20:53:48

I think those of us who are criticising censorship do "get it", completely.

Twitter is a useful tool for pertinent articles. Saves a lot of digging.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:59:10

I think the most basic kind of good guidance you can give to children and young people is to teach them to respect the feelings of others and to not inflict unnecessary pain. I would teach them that kindness is important.

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 21:02:00

J08 I get it.

I think children should be guided to understand that political censorship is unhealthy.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:02:06

I hope the the "collective wisdom of this forum" is n' t going to be Micelf and Bags. grin

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:03:04

Oh, and nanaej. grin

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 21:03:07

If only a certain recently deceased politician had been so guided!

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:05:46

Censorship is not respectful or kind.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:06:31

Which is most important to you, political correctness or the way our young people act towards one another in the future.

What kind of a society do you really want in the future?

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:07

That comment is offensive. And you know it.

No one, as you very well know is inflicting unnecessary pain on a pair of 59 year olds who have an interesting past and who were not punctilious in visiting their mother.

What children need to be guided in is due courtesy, and far more importantly, using their minds to think for themselves using the evidence and not being swayed by uninformed prejudice.

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:22

I don't care what the collective wisdom is, here or anywhere else. The collective wisdom has been shown to be wrong over and over again.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:59

Remember, the average age of the audience on Sunday will probably be around fourteen.

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:08:22

I think what you want is the politically correct thing, jings. I and others are arguing for freedom of expression whether or not what is expressed is politically correct.

liminetta Sat 13-Apr-13 21:09:36

I agree with almost all the comments about the song. Margaret was a hard headed , strong woman, but i would never call her a wicked witch!

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:10:11

And why do you define an objection to censorship as 'political correctness'?

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:12:33

And why do think that 14 year olds are incapable of thought or discrimination?

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:12:40

Neither would I, liminetta, but that's beside the point. Some people do want to sing a song that contains those words, knowing that it will be associated with Thatcher. And what's more, they will, regardless of the censorship, proving that this censorship is as useless as it is wrong and stupid.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:13:16

I think Lord Hall is desperately trying to be politically correct.

MiceElf Sat 13-Apr-13 21:15:09

And you still haven't explained why you think why the Beeb should censor a song.

Oldgreymare Sat 13-Apr-13 21:20:51

Might as well play it, it's been all over the news bulletins so we have all heard it! ( or has that been said before, not paying attention, feeling poorly..... aaaaahhhh)

nanaej Sat 13-Apr-13 21:24:22

I think 'political correctness' is a construct of the political right of centre created in an attempt to ridicule attitudes and ideas they did not agree with. Many of the crazy stories that made headlines were proven to be incorrect (e.g the alleged banning of singing Baa Baa Black Sheep etc). A bit like the H&S myths!

Bags Sat 13-Apr-13 21:27:28

You seem to have contradicted yourself, jings. One of your comments suggests that the argument against censoring the song is trying to be politically correct, and another suggests that you think the Director of the BBC is trying to be politically correct.

I think he should stop trying to please people (whoever) and have the guts to simply do the right thing. He must know that censorship in a free society is poisonous.

POGS Sat 13-Apr-13 22:17:47

I have made my views quite clear on the song being broadcast but I do not think the choice of the song is any way innocuous and it is ridiculous for anybody to try and argue it is only a fun, harmless way of expressing feelings for a woman who has just died.

Why, because these are some of the lyrics and it is obvious why it was chosen. It is a sad day for our society when this is how we will be remembered as a nation.

Ding Dong the whitch is dead. The witch is dead. The Wicked old Witch is dead..

She's gone to where the goblins go. Below Below Below.

Yo ho let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.

As coroner I must ever, I thoroughly examined her.

Yes let joyous news be spread, the Wicked Old Witch AT LAST IS DEAD.

sad

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:22:47

Sigh! I'm saying that political correctness is being put above any sense of common decency.

Micelf I say what I want to say, not what others demand me to say.

j08 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:28:01

It's back to my previous comment about worshipping false Gods.You are giving your own perceived "rights" more importance than the feelings of others, and the well being of young people.