Ahhhhgggghhh I TAKE IT ALL BACK!!!

A PS to the potty saga, little DGS has used the potty 4 times without promting, I am hopeful.

Flower

I m tired just reading this! Good luck Flower! keep in mind some of us dont have little "angels " to take care of. wish I lived close,I'd love to give you a hand!

Good luck with that!!!

(I'm glad it's not only my little-er GS that does that "yeah yeah" and shrugging thing. )

#canbelittlesods

Oh dear! At least there is light on the horizon in the potty area!!! Good luck - a little while with Grandma sounds like just what they need and sounds like what YOU need!

eating pie and mash at the moment and quiet They are lovely and very very boisterous love them though.

I have never in my life known siblings to argue as much as they do. Another pair of my GC siblings do bicker and have been known to come to blows and they are male and female siblings.

The older one was sitting in the 'walkway' drawing his body and drawing pad took up the whole of the space and the little one had to tread on the pad as he walked by. The older one refused to move and the little one walked 'past' about 5 times before I stepped in and suggested he moved to a more sensible area. He reluctantly did, he just seemed to like the conflict. OH DEAR

They only do it to annoy
So beat him when he sneezes
With apologies to Alice and C L Dodson .

My two are 40 and 38 and still arguing. I'm afraid that in desperation I adopted a technique from my MIL (mum of 5) which involved slapping the nearest and saying to the other - Your turn next for the slap. Not proud of it, but not ashamed either.

The grandsons (14 and 12) are staying over tonight. We've just enjoyed a Chinese takeaway and are now waiting for BGT to begin. They helped Grandpa with some jobs this afternoon before joining him to watch the FA cup final on telly. Sound like domestic bliss??? Flower's post reminds me of a few years ago when the older DGS would lay in wait for the younger one so he could aim a quick nudge, trip, shove - nothing nasty but enough to disrupt any peace and harmony we were hoping for. They grow up....eventually.

Flower I'm afraid I'd be BELLOWING NOT IN NANA'S HOUSE!

Not that I have any experience of this type of thing but perhaps the next time you could say you are writing a letter to Santa to make sure they are on the naughty list! . Or you could always tie them up and lock them in the cellar (evil )

Dont you just love that stage the two I live with are at the same stage, I have said I am packing my bags if it continues

Glass spare rooms here!

Take me about 6 hrs to get to you galen make a bed up for me

One already made

I know where you are if I need to escape

My baby grandson has just arrived to stay for a week. He's 5' 11'' ,20 years old and gorgeous!

Oh flower! - don't they just drive you mad?

My first two were so different - the first intellectual and capable of deviousness; the second emotional and wild - boy did they rub each other up the wrong way sometimes - and, yes, I did bellow sometimes!

Oh I have such sypathy with this behavior, I was looking after my DGS aged 3, as he was unable to go to nursery due to chickenpox. He was a bit grumpy but we got on ok and had a reasonable day. UNTIL about half and hour before DIL came to pick him up. He had asked for a butter sandwich cut up into squares, I dutifully obliged. He took the plate, looked at the neat squares, dropped the plate on the floor and promply had a major unconsolable tantrum. I was unable to calm him down and was totally puzzed as to why this had occured. Mum appeared, and must have thought I was committing some sort of abuse. When she asked him what was wrong, he replied between sobs that Granny had cut his sandwich up into rectangles instead of squares. She promptly cut a fraction off the said shapes and all was then calm.

Poor you Flowers ...... siblings constantly arguing is enough to drive anyone to absolute distraction, while it seems to keep the children concerned endlessly amused! Grrrrrr

My girls were polar opposites in temperament and fought like cat and dog for years, and as adults just tended to avoid being in each others company for more than a few hours as it always ended up in an argument. In fact they only reached amicable status when I divorced and suddenly they were both batting on the same side, helping wherever they could and taking turns to "keep an eye on me".

So there is hope ....apparently all it takes is three decades and a major life upset.

Have some flowers :-)

I wonder how last night went? I suspect they were better behaved from Grandma than for Mum. DS said that at 2 DGS knew how to behave when others were around but threw tantrums when he was only with Mum and Dad. Of course I know he is wrong because my GSs are of course absolutely perfect and if he had a tantrum it must have been someone else's fault!

In the garden they were arguing over a LEAF for crying out loud. A BLASTED LEAF. I have thousands of leaves in my garden but they both wanted the same bloody leaf!!!!!!

Just before the parents arrived (3/4 hour late and I don't blame them) Igave the boys a Jaffa cake each. I went to the kitchen to get something to find the older boy (almost 5) coming out with his hand behind his back. Asked what he was doing he said "Nuffin'" He then slowly brought out a second Jaffa cake. I said gently that he should not have just taken but asked for one. He said sorry and all was forgotten.

His mum and dad arrived. He burst into tears saying "I was so so hungry mummy, I just wanted to eat I was so hungry" Blimey. I didn't know what to say. She was on her knees comforting him and looking at me over his shoulder. I felt like the worst granny in the universe. I also felt that if I protested it would be "too much" as they say. I was not even going to tell them about the 'stolen' jaffa cake it wasn't that important. I just wonder what he tells his mum and dad about Grandpa telling him to sit on a chair and think about his behaviour when he continually snatched a book off his brother. It was only for 2 minutes but, Good Lord! that will get fed back.

They are lucky they weren't locked in the coal bunker (if I had one)

The mum said that it was his hormones!!!!!!! apparently boys get a sudden surge of testosterone at 4 - 5 and this either makes them aggressive or emotional. Oh well!! Silly me! Should've known I have 3 boys. Just thought it was boys being boys.

Continuing potty saga: Dry all through night and used potty without prompting in morning. Then, when mum asked him to go on pot before they left he ran around the room, turned his back and completely ignored her.

The Potty is a wonderful weapon when used correctly.

Thanks for flowers inthefields, and movealot: Re last night. They did squabble as I posted but when the little one was asleep - 7pm - the older one snuggled up to me and we read the rest of the Boggle story and watched harmless TV for a while.So peaceful. He took longer to settle but slept all night. They took about an hour to wind up to demons - I ended up on my swing chair in my garden letting them run it off for an hour (until the leaf battle commenced) see above.