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What happened to English grammar?

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Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 07:15:56

Headline in The Daily Mail:
The death of the man who sunk the Belgrano: Falklands Navy hero Sir John 'Sandy' Woodward dies aged 81

absent Thu 08-Aug-13 10:02:29

Men's trousers have a fly [fastening] not flies.

grumppa Thu 08-Aug-13 10:43:19

absent, Englishmen's trousers have flies, as in "your flies are undone".

whenim64 Thu 08-Aug-13 10:50:54

Both terms are in common usage. Peace! smile

janthea Thu 08-Aug-13 12:01:13

Maybe is should be 'your fly's undone' Just asking!

grumppa Thu 08-Aug-13 12:13:44

Maybe "flies are undone" harks back to the golden age when there were buttons and not a zip. I am sure Millicent Martin said "your flies are undone" to Kenneth Cope in a sketch on That Was The Week That Was.

Greatnan Thu 08-Aug-13 12:16:14

Or you could say 'You are flying low today'!

j08 Thu 08-Aug-13 12:21:29

The debate is now much more in keeping with the usual Gransnet stuff.

petallus Thu 08-Aug-13 12:24:06

We used to say 'flying low without a licence'

Lilygran Thu 08-Aug-13 12:44:06

There were some fairly weird things we used to say for 'your petticoat is showing'. 'Flying the flag' was one, I think. But I imagine the whole idea is incomprehensible now!

Gorki Thu 08-Aug-13 12:46:33

"Charley's dead" was another grin

petallus Thu 08-Aug-13 12:48:47

Years ago a friend's husband told me she was feeling off-colour because she had 'got the decorators in'

Nelliemoser Thu 08-Aug-13 12:53:40

I knew *Charlies dead for droopy petticoats. I thought "showing the flag" or some such saying was about having your period. Wonderful language!

gracesmum Thu 08-Aug-13 13:23:32

DH's family used to say "vive l'empereur" a reference to Napoleon perhaps?

deserving Fri 09-Aug-13 08:47:42

The bird is about to fall off its perch

Galen Fri 09-Aug-13 09:45:05

Could flies fly's go back to the days when it was a sort of trapdoor arrangement at the front?

Nonu Fri 09-Aug-13 10:23:28

DES ??

Elegran Fri 09-Aug-13 10:32:13

Galen Full circle. We are back to grammar and semantics. Didn't the codpiece used to be attached by lacing round "points", rather like the hooks on climbing boots. The points were referred to in the plural, so maybe the flies were too? Then there is the rigging which holds up stage scenery and curtains etc. That is called the flies - plural - perhaps undoing the flies revealed the scenery in all its glory. shock

It won't fall off its perch, Des. The thread is not dead, just metamorphosing into other forms and back again. Normal for Gransnet.

Bags Fri 09-Aug-13 11:11:53

And then there are fly leaves in books. I'm thinking flies in theatres might be related to those.

gillybob Fri 09-Aug-13 11:15:51

..............and then there is Chinese curry and flies.

Elegran Fri 09-Aug-13 11:21:08

Can't see where a fly cuppa or a fly half come from though. Doing things on the fly, perhaps?

Elegran Fri 09-Aug-13 11:22:18

At a stretch, the theatre scenery could be said to flt through the air when the ropes are pulled?

Elegran Fri 09-Aug-13 11:23:15

Fly not flt. Or possibly flit.

gillybob Fri 09-Aug-13 11:23:38

Is a fly tipper someone who tips flies?

Elegran Fri 09-Aug-13 11:30:19

How big a tip do you give a fly? Is 1p enough? I suppose it depends whether they have given outstanding service or just done their job to a minimum. ("More than me job's worth to crap on that trifle for you, Missus. I am only supposed to do cream cakes")

gillybob Fri 09-Aug-13 12:12:39

Elegran I was reading that out loud in a "flies accent" grin