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If you think GN can get a little heated.....

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Greatnan Mon 07-Oct-13 16:30:09

.....you should read some of the expat forums. Most of the protagonists are men. The arguments are sometimes ridiculous. For example, one person says Britain is rubbish and life in France is perfect. Somebody else replies that their life in France has been disastrous and they can't wait to get back to Britain, which is wonderful. If I try mildly pointing out that both countries have their good and bad points, and you don't have to hate Britain to enjoy living in France, I get jumped on from both sides!
And the political arguments can get really vicious, with personal insults flying around.
I have fallen foul of one member who is an ex-policeman and gets very annoyed whenever I mention some news story about police corruption or incompetence, misogyny, homophobia or racism, even though I always point out that the majority of police officers are probably perfectly honest and fair. He always says the offences are only 'alleged' and goes very quiet when they are found to be true. As an ex-teacher, I just feel sad when stories appear about rogue teachers, but I don't take them as a personal insult. He also objects to my atheism and left-wing views. I have to enjoy that I quite enjoy jousting with him. If I couldn't take the heat, I would stay out of the kitchen! However, he has been responsible for several members leaving the forum, especially women.

I find Gransnet to be a haven of polite, kind, intelligent people, mostly women, with a scattering of some very nice men.

Greatnan Mon 07-Oct-13 16:31:50

Oops , 'admit' not 'enjoy'.

tanith Mon 07-Oct-13 16:45:47

Good for you Greatnan I admit I'm not very good in an argument and tend to opt for a quiet life but I do admire people who stand their ground and can have a good old ding dong with reasoned argument and come back for more. I can always think of the perfect riposte after I've lost an argument but I'm afraid my brain and my mouth are usually out of sync grin

petallus Mon 07-Oct-13 16:59:00

I quite like a ding dong but only if it stays at a reasonably intelligent level. I can't see the point of just relying on personal insult to get your point across.

petallus Mon 07-Oct-13 17:00:13

Are men less able to maintain their cool under pressure I wonder. This is true of some of the men I know (no names, no pack drill) who fly into hysterics the minute they are challenged.

Greatnan Mon 07-Oct-13 17:04:24

Possibly some men like to be pack leader and cannot bear to be challenged - is it down to testosterone?

Nelliemoser Tue 08-Oct-13 11:06:48

I don't tend to regard anything involving the term "ding dong" as a reasoned discussion, just a nasty row.
That is just a comment on my interpretation of the term "ding dong" I don't want to start a row over it. wink smile

janthea Tue 08-Oct-13 11:23:40

I tend to stay out of 'ding dongs' I have my opinions and am entitled to them as are other people. I will stand up for myself when pushed. I like a calm and quiet life! smile

Ariadne Tue 08-Oct-13 11:24:57

So do I, janthea!

whenim64 Tue 08-Oct-13 11:38:19

I like lively debate, especially when I'm not looking over my shoulder in anticipation of someone objecting to the mild heat of the discussion. Hate personal attacks, jibes and insults. They are unnecessary and spoil the enjoyment and stimulation of the debate. Gransnet is the one I've stuck to, though I've tried other sites and found them to be either uncaring about all the members, or unable to moderate when nastiness sets in, as Greatnan has described. I often go over to Mumsnet, but find that people do get jumped on for no good reason, so I tend to lurk and not post on there. Happily, the vast majority on Gransnet are courteous and supportive. smile

Galen Tue 08-Oct-13 12:07:56

Couldn't agree with you moreWhen I get upset by personal attacks as well and go out of my way to avoid them. However I do enjoy well reasoned debate!

FlicketyB Tue 08-Oct-13 15:44:12

Greatnan DH posts on some French expatriate sites. He has commented on the agro that takes place on them. He doesn't like it and left one after being flamed for saying something quite innocuous.

Iam64 Tue 08-Oct-13 18:19:04

I enjoy threads where there are differing view points, but that don't involve confrontational or offensive comments to others.

j08 Tue 08-Oct-13 18:28:17

My! How saintly you all are.

Ana Tue 08-Oct-13 18:48:25

grin

Galen Tue 08-Oct-13 19:13:38

Well Eglantine we're not as prickly as some Rose!grin

j08 Tue 08-Oct-13 19:27:00

Two names! Truly honoured. #mindup

FlicketyB Tue 08-Oct-13 20:40:40

I am opinionated, always have been, but I dislike personal attacks and avoid them at all costs. I hope I always respect people who disagree with me, I sometimes get exasperated when posters seem to be avoiding issues, but they probably think I do the same.

What is the Robbie Burns quotation about having the ability to see ourselves as others see us. I always think that would be a suitably chastening experience and probably do me, and others good.

Ana Tue 08-Oct-13 20:49:51

I agree, FlicketyB (about everyone, of course, not just you!) - but as we are all so different we see others differently too!

You only have to look at the widely varying responses to certain controversial posts to realise that one member's 'reasonable' is another's 'completely out of order'...

j08 Tue 08-Oct-13 21:07:13

At this time of life, aren't we past minding very much how others see us? Especially on an internet forum.

absent Tue 08-Oct-13 21:11:16

j08 Given how many times you have started a post in response to someone's comment about one of your previous posts with a defensive "I AM NOT … " it is clear that minding about how others see us still matters at any age. grin

j08 Tue 08-Oct-13 21:15:25

Yes well, that's just standing up against some of the crap that gets posted on here! hmmsmile Would n' t you?!

Galen Tue 08-Oct-13 22:07:25

crackling rose why are you so antagonistic these days?

Greatnan Tue 08-Oct-13 22:10:03

I am minded of that cartoon, where a proud mother is watching her son marching at a parade. She is saying 'They are all out of step, except our Willie'. grin

j08 Tue 08-Oct-13 22:12:58

I would n' t want to be in step with every poster on GN.