I am useless at remembering who said what to whom and when and cannot ever be bothered to trail back to find out so no idea what is being referred to. But soutra there are some posters who do use ' get out' strategies and fall back on, sometimes unconnected, personal incidents to try to make others feel a bit guilty for posting a challenge or opposing views! Unbelievable but true!
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I, for one, will shut up. 



