I voted Leave and would do so again. The EU is a totally different organisation from what was essentially a trading agreement between a few countries, which we originally joined. It seems to be dominated by Germany. It’s now far too large to work effectively - how can 27 countries easily reach agreements on anything? Other member states are clearly very unhappy also. But I do agree that the present draft agreement is a mess - and as I understand it, there is no option for later withdrawal if needed.
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(279 Posts)If you voted for Brexit - would you vote for it again, knowing what you know now? However you voted, do you think we should have another referendum - a peoples' vote?
I thought we lived in a democracy. The vote was to leave and that is what we should do. Definitely NO to a second vote. I also think it should have been a cross party negotiation as it concerns everyone. All parties have some good ideas and it would be better to work together for the good of the country rather than dismissing without thought what the Conservatives have proposed. The EU just say no all the time. Why don’t they come forward with suggestions as it will affect all the EU countries. Surely they want the best for their citizens too. An absolute shambles and we are not getting what we voted for. I am disgusted that my grandchildren will bare the fallout!
The tectonic plates of world politics are shifting and we need to think hard before making a huge mistake. Do we really want to be reliant on the likes of Donald Trump who seems to be very friendly with Putin? If the US pulls out of NATO, we will need to think about a European army. If this miserable deal goes through, how long before Scotland and Northern Island leave the UK? How strong will England be then? Much of our current economic power and influence is as a result of being in the EU; companies will up and leave when we no longer have access to their markets.
Of course there are things wrong with the EU, as there are with any organisation that ever existed, but putting those right can only be done from inside.
Are Leavers not worried about the influence of dark money? Arron Banks who donated 8 million to the Leave campaign refuses to reveal where it came from and sneers at the Parliamentary committee that tries to find out. Is this the control that Leavers want?
The lead campaigners for Leave are all privileged and wealthy. The EU wants to tax offshore accounts. Is there a link? Strange that Jacob Rees-Mogg's company has moved to Ireland.
The most liberal and humanitarian laws in my lifetime have come from the EU. Women's rights, workers' protection, etc. Do we seriously think the global companies are going to keep them?
Personally, I would rather be in Merkel and Macron's camp than Trump and Putin's.
I voted for Brexit and will never regret it. The EU is a corrupt and power mad organisation which we should all be thankful to be leaving. It has only ever been interested in our continued membership for the money we contribute. If we agreed to stay now, you would find we would have the euro before you know it, be forced to be part of Schengen, our rebate would be withdrawn and the annual fees increased (over £50,000,000 A DAY at present), our 'bad' influence would be diminished, our armed forced merged etc.
yggdrasil, I assume you mean Aaron Banks! What happened to innocent until proved guilty in this country or don't you believe in that system? I also don't remember Mr Putin knocking on my door, campaigning during the referendum. I voted out in 1975. Nothing has happened to change my mind.
The Italians seemed rather gutless over the earlier part of the last century but they now seem to have got their Roman spirit back. Hopefully, they and other like minded EU states (they are not recognised as countries by the EU) will get together, once we are gone, and finish the EU off and we can all return to be single European countries being friendly with each other and trading fairly and supporting each other where each decide to do so.
Jo1960 I agree with you that there should not have been a Referendum in the first place
I voted leave
I would still vote leave.
There should definitely not be another Referendum .
What would happen if -as I suspect -the result remained the same?
Would Remainers want yet another referendum.?
I actually feel sorry for Teresa May .
She was a Remainer and with some of the colleagues she has ,she doesn't need enemies
Do you remember the days when we could respect our MPs?
Whatever Party you supported there were clever men and women who knew what they were talking about-Winston Churchill ,Shirley Williams,John Smith ,
I can count those I respect now on the fingers of one hand .
I voted leave and would vote leave again. We are a great country and the EU know that - they don't want us to leave. They treat us with disdain. They are unelected and they are all on a gravy train. There is so much waste with their posh buildings, expenses etc. Remember we are GREAT BRITAIN! Let's go it alone but remain on a friendly basis with all. NATO will suffice for our protection.
Just thinking about how another referendum could be called undemocratic.
- It would ignore the previous democratic decision. People voted then under the impression this would decide the matter.
- Voters are already pretty disillusioned with the democratic process and pretty apathetic in general. If there is more than one referendum, they could feel that those in power will ignore votes until they get the result they want, so there is no point voting, and vote less in the future.
If you can’t see the legal differences between a 16 year old and a 13 year old jOOLs... when the Scottish ref was on, I heard far more sense from 16/17 year olds than I did from many so called adults. Anyone who uses the reductio ad absurdum argument as you and others do on GN are demonstrating an inability to present a logical argument
Well I voted remain based on the fact that our economy at present cannot support the £60bn the EU expects in compensation. Will the EU be bothered if we lose vital services no but it seems the government has shafted us whatever the outcome
We can't have another ref.Is this not what Barnier and Co want. So keep making it difficult for the ' remainer' who is the last person we want to get us out once and for all
The one 'out' should should be the one who hasn't the b***s to get us out.
I would vote leave again. Don’t want to be governed by unelected Eurocrats I worked in Brussels and witnessed the sheer incompetence and waste of money first hand. Every month my office had to pack up and move from Brussels to Strasbourg at vast expense - to work there for 4 days. All to assuage France’s feelings.
I don’t agree with 16/17 yr olds voting, it’s their future but also 13 yr olds future, 14 yrs old, 15 yr olds - where is the line drawn? I had no vote in 1975 when the country voted to stay in the EEC as it was
After all the shenanigans, I am currently hugely ashamed of our leadership of all colours. Given another vote - which I sincerely hope not - I would now vote to leave. I fully accept that this may prove very difficult for a time but I have to be prepared to tolerate that. All I want now is to be free of the fetters of the EU lock, stock and barrel. Never thought I'd hear myself saying that........
I would still vote to leave...
I just don't understand why anyone would consider it undemocratic to have another vote. Nobody is demanding that the majority (leavers) change their minds. We now know exactly what kind of Brexit we are voting for (TM's deal) and it seems only reasonable to check that this is what everybody wants. If, as seems likely, leave wins again Britain can go ahead knowing it is the people's choice. If, however, in the light of further facts now available people have changed their minds, surely it would be undemocratic to go ahead because of an earlier decision based on fewer facts? How can another free choice be undemocratic?
My MP, a Brexiteer through and through, has just resigned in protest at the pointless and unacceptable compromises in TMs “withdrawal agreement” so I know that my views are supported both locally AND in Westminster
I voted 'leave' because I was sick of this country not having control of its own laws. I don't see this changing, but please NOT ANOTHER REFERENDUM.
Voted leave and would still. Bitterly disappointed that a decision made on a national basis should have been hijacked by the political parties for their own interests rather than the national interest. A united Parliament, working for the national interest, could have achieved a much brighter future for both ourselves and Europe instead of this farcical outcome proposed by a section of the Conservative party.
Leave.
I would still vote leave, the sooner the better.
I would certainly vote Leave again.
We have already had a people’s vote. I don’t think I’d want another referendum even if I had voted Remain. It takes the meaning out of the word ‘referendum’ if you keep holding them. Plus they cost a lot.
I stand shoulder to shoulder with poppyred on this - yes indeed I would vote to get away from this poisonous crew, if anything the last year has made me even more determined that Britain will definitely be better standing alone, as we have so often previously
Still a Remainer but not sure we should have another referendum. Let TM have her settlement with the EU, I don't imagine we will get anything better. I bless Cameron every day for landing us in this sh*t.
There should never have been a referendum in the first place. We elect and pay our MPs to represent us and govern the country. In my view the whole Brexit thing should be abandoned as the Leave campaign has been found to have lied, cheated and made ridiculous promises they cannot keep for their own gain. Most people in the country will suffer as a result of this project; the only winners are the super rich and the far right. We should be strengthening our links with Europe rather than kowtowing to the US.
The thing that makes me laugh (or cry!), is that the ‘leavers’ keep banging on that ‘the people voted’; yes they did, but nearly half voted to remain. I think if a lot of ‘leavers’ realised what a shambles this has turned out to be, not to mention a humiliation in the eyes of the world; they would have voted otherwise.
I am sure I typed 2%!
Apologies.
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