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BlueBelle Tue 04-Dec-18 05:30:21

I think we have an infiltration of ‘jokers’ on the threads at the moment Well of course it may be the same person with a variety of names but I have noticed four (at least) new names who are ‘ having fun’ with us
I presume reporting them and letting Gransnet sort them out is the only way forward
Has anyone else noticed ?
We need a sin bin

cavewoman Tue 04-Dec-18 05:49:33

Yes BlueBelle I have noticed.
Particularly from new names who have never posted before on any other threads.
There are so many good people on here who give their time and consideration in answering these weird and wonderful posts.
But...how to prove it? Do Gransnet actually mind?
I have always been rather cynical.

janeainsworth Tue 04-Dec-18 06:38:31

I’ve just had a look at the active threads and can see only one which is questionable bluebelle.
I don’t think it’s possible for the same person to have more than one username at the same time. Something to do with the ISP number which is known to GN when you register.

BlueBelle Tue 04-Dec-18 06:49:09

Look on the games and there are three others Jane

Davidhs Tue 04-Dec-18 07:09:45

I hadn't noticed anyone particularly taking the p??s but there are several regular posters that have very nasty attitudes, the many nice gransnetters should get together and get rid of them.
But then nice people don't do that, you can say what you like to me but you don't need to abuse each other.

janeainsworth Tue 04-Dec-18 07:11:03

Ah - I never look at the games threads bb, that explains it.

kittylester Tue 04-Dec-18 07:24:30

davidhs, they are all part of life and different from what bluebelle is talking about I think.

BlueBelle Tue 04-Dec-18 07:56:24

I m not talking about posters with attitude haha whatever that is David but someone who posts a problem that may seem a bit silly but could be real so people go to a lot of trouble to help them solve the problem they may even disclose their own similar problem in their quest to comfort the poster until it becomes more and more noticeable that it is someone having a wind up
Janesworth I don’t play the games either but noticed a very similar name starting a thread and I did a Miss Marples 😂

There are four new posters at the moment with similar or unusual names who I believe are revving wind ups if not stopped it could get very nasty prising information and time out of genuine posters

M0nica Tue 04-Dec-18 08:04:28

I think the thing to do is give a sensible practical answer. Avoid sympathy or judgement and do not comment on their names.

Marydoll Tue 04-Dec-18 08:05:48

I noticed it on the games thread. I gave up on one thread, because someone thought it amusing to make it difficult to continue.
However, I never said anything, as recently I had a post deleted , when I questioned the validity of an OP, so I'm keeping quiet. I said I was unsure if it was "a wind up" , The term, "trolling" was used, which I found quite upsetting, as I'm definitely not a troll. sad.

dragonfly46 Tue 04-Dec-18 08:06:54

I haven't noticed anybody but I have been somewhat preoccupied.

BlueBelle Tue 04-Dec-18 08:08:15

Marydoll I also had a post deleted when I previously questioned is this a wind up? And had an email from Gransnet explaining I was a troll Haha
but I will carry on if I truely feel someone is taking the p

Anja Tue 04-Dec-18 08:20:22

Yes, I have noticed too BlueBelle

It’s very unkind and taking advantage of GNetters.

Anja Tue 04-Dec-18 08:20:52

Actually ‘sick’ might be more appropriate.

Anja Tue 04-Dec-18 08:30:54

PS I run a search on the username. If it’s a first time post with a unlikely situation I’m suspicious. Quite a few of those recently.

mumofmadboys Tue 04-Dec-18 08:36:40

Perhaps we could have a warning phrase to make the regulars aware we think it is a wind up. Such as 'Crikey, that's difficult'

janeainsworth Tue 04-Dec-18 08:37:34

How the GN search engine works is a complete mystery to me.
I've just run one of those suspicious names and the name itself didn't feature in the results, just posts with part of the username in them.confused

petra Tue 04-Dec-18 09:02:15

Marydoll & Bluebelle
Your not alone. I have a well honed s*%t detector and spot them a mile off.
Like you I could scream " they're winding you up" when posters are giving there own heartfelt examples.
I too have been castigated on here and by the powers that be.

notentirelyallhere Tue 04-Dec-18 09:08:02

I'm new, in that I posted a question recently for which I received some helpful advice. Since then I've dared to post a comment once or twice. I've spent years occasionally reading Gransnet and I've reregistered since I was part of a thread where some very nasty things got said. Ive just read this thread with a sinking heart. How do you 'regulars' know what any one else's life is like, how unkind to judge. If you're suspicious, just don't answer. So many people don't post because of off-putting comments and threads. It's very upsetting.

EllanVannin Tue 04-Dec-18 09:22:16

Please carry on posting NEAH . I'm " newish " and it didn't take me long to suss out a click but don't let an odd few put you off. This sort of thing does happen unfortunately but the best thing is to ignore those whose tendency is to create hostility toward you.
I'm a hot-headed individual at times only because I was treated the same way as you're feeling though the forum that I was on was purely discussion and unlike this one.

Elegran Tue 04-Dec-18 09:33:10

I think the answer to that question (how do you know?) is that regulars have seen a lot of posts about a lot of subjects, and some of them just don't feel right. When someone appears out of the blue with a spectacular story, the regulars don't answer at once and share their own problems for that very reason. It is mostly newer posters who engage with the post. The replies from the original poster then throw more light on either the problem or on the attitude of the poster (which is sometimes what caused the problem in the first place!) and the jokers can't resist taking the "joke" further and further.

When an unfamiliar username posts an insulting reply to a comment that doesn't deserve it, reporting it is the best move. There is a lot of that on social media on the internet, some people will say anything to see their words displayed.

Pretending to be outraged is a favourite ploy!

Marydoll Tue 04-Dec-18 09:51:27

notentirelyallhere I think you are being quite unfair in judging all we " regulars" as being unkind.

My concern was that a poster appeared to be messing up one of the games, making it impossible to continue. Then found it amusing.
I would never dream of posting unkind comments.

There are lots of decent and kind people on GN.

kittylester Tue 04-Dec-18 09:53:51

I think elegran has hit the nail on the head. Those of us that have been around a while have an instinct.

I think we do have a phrase momb, it's along the lines of *schools out/Christmas hols started early this year.'

Neah, as *elegran said - we have a nose for wind ups, so don't worry! sunshine

I do wonder if gnhq could be a bit more proactive in this regard to protect the real posters.

mumofmadboys Tue 04-Dec-18 10:06:47

I suppose any mention of a onesie is an alert!!

Anja Tue 04-Dec-18 10:14:23

NEAT the only point of this thread is a worry that some unkind person or persons might be deliberately duping kind GNetters. Please don’t be so harsh on those who find this upsetting.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Tue 04-Dec-18 10:24:49

We have indeed had the occasional poster who is here to cause mischief (etc) - if you spot others do report them to us and we can take a look.

As you know, we don't get a chance to read every post on every thread, so it's really useful when people flag areas of concern (by reporting or by email - not on the thread itself as that's against our guidelines).

Of course, some posts might be by users you don't recognise simply because they are new to the site or because they've been members for a while but it's their first time posting. But if you think we should take a look just let us know - we are always happy to do so.

Squiffy Tue 04-Dec-18 10:37:25

How do you 'regulars' know what any one else's life is like, how unkind to judge

I don't think anyone is judging. Regulars are just that, regulars, and so are more familiar with what seem to be genuine posters.

Most GNetters are kind and helpful and are just concerned about others being drawn into threads without realising that they are not genuine - and giving their time, wisdom and, often, part of their own personal story.

On the whole, I think that we are protective of one another and try to alert others about fake threads.

Fennel Tue 04-Dec-18 12:28:07

If we're over cautious in reporting we might harm someone who has a genuinely weird problem, and desperately needs help or sympathy.
Fact can be stranger than fiction.

Elegran Tue 04-Dec-18 12:46:48

Indeed, Fennel, the dilemma is how to help those who need it without encouraging the small number of exhibitionists who want to see their fake posts taken seriously. Asking a few (polite) questions of the original poster to make their story clearer is one way. If the answers don't add up, or the explanation reveals other holes, then reporting it along with the reason why you are doubtful is the next move. However, sometimes it is difficult to ignore!

Grandad1943 Tue 04-Dec-18 13:07:35

I believe that the Misandry so often displayed on this forum by members very much makes this site a very large target for those wishing to take the P*SS.

We so often see threads started with the sole intention by wives and partners of holding up their male counterparts to outdated derogatory ridicule and totally sexist remarks.

The above is often referred to on other social media sites, and that may well draw to this site those who wish to ridicule this forum and its members.

In this the old adage comes to mind, being (you reap what you sow).

lemongrove Tue 04-Dec-18 13:18:32

.....and I believe that the po faced comments so often displayed on this forum by members shows a distinct lack of a sense of humour.Other males on this forum seem to cope well Grandad43 naturally, there aren’t many as this forum is called Gransnet.

lemongrove Tue 04-Dec-18 13:20:13

Doubtful threads started by names you don’t recognise can just be left alone to fizzle out.

Chewbacca Tue 04-Dec-18 13:29:32

I was avidly following the granny who wanted sole access to her GC on Christmas Day but it seems to have vanished. I bought popcorn too!

Grandad1943 Tue 04-Dec-18 13:29:35

Lemongrove the Gransnet name in itself is outdated in present times I believe.

That name should be changed to Grandparents net and Parentnet for its counterpart. The foregoing is especially prevalent as legislation now allows for single sex marriage and parenthood.

BlueBelle Tue 04-Dec-18 13:36:53

Well if the thread has been deleted perhaps Headquaters has acted as I did ask for them to check a few new posters

I don’t like being played so I will continue to let HQ know if I think there is jiggerybpokery going on

kittylester Tue 04-Dec-18 13:46:39

What flavour chewbacca?

Chewbacca Tue 04-Dec-18 14:32:43

Salted caramel kitty. I'll save it for when the next joker comes along; shouldn't be long, they're coming thick and fast lately! grin

Farmor15 Tue 04-Dec-18 14:45:59

Apparently it is possible for a person to have more than one username - on a thread recently a regular poster said she had a second one, as she had problems with password or something. Second name was identical to first, with the addition of a number. That seemed genuine, but it would seem it's possible for the same person to post under different names.

kittylester Tue 04-Dec-18 14:46:13

chewbacca grin

I think the point made by the op is lg that some people don't know they should be allowed to fizzle out.

BlueBelle Tue 04-Dec-18 17:17:57

One of the threads I ask HQ to look into has been deleted and the poster is being investigated
I m pretty sure I wasn’t imagining things

oldbatty Tue 04-Dec-18 17:32:44

I cannot for the life of me imagine somebody spending their time creating an identity( takes about 2 minutes admittedly) ,creating a fake problem and getting off on loads of kind people trying to help.

Cherrytree59 Tue 04-Dec-18 21:26:20

Grandad 1943
I don't think Gransnet or Mumsnet will rebranded anytime in the near future.smile

janeainsworth Tue 04-Dec-18 21:55:53

oldbatty nowt so queer as folk as I’m sure you know!

grannyactivist Tue 04-Dec-18 22:42:08

Oh dear.
I usually don't post on the questionable threads, but I did suggest to a poster yesterday that she should buy her grandchildren a onesie each and let them enjoy Christmas with their parents! And now I see the thread has been deleted. tchblush
It never occurred to me to report the thread; if it was a genuine post then the OP would have received some slightly odd, but harmless advice, whereas if it was a 'joker' they would know they'd been rumbled.

oldbatty Tue 04-Dec-18 23:01:23

janea ' appen so.

Farmor15 Tue 04-Dec-18 23:25:03

old batty I think there are odd people who get some kind of kick from creating a fake identity, posting something controversial and possibly giving a reply under another identity. It happened once on another discussion forum I was on, but moderator discovered that first poster and one of the inflammatory responders were actually from same Internet address.

notentirelyallhere Wed 05-Dec-18 00:04:24

I haven't had a chance to look at this thread again until now. I wasn't intending to be harsh towards anyone, if anything the complete reverse! I was also feeling nervous that having posted, as a newbie, with a problem I was amongst those being listed as a wind up merchant, which I'm certainly not! There are some very odd people out there, for sure, and social media gives them the chance to sow misinformation and discord. Perhaps lurking discretely is the best way of being, leadt said, soonest mended, etc. Goodnight all, sleep well.

Marydoll Wed 05-Dec-18 00:34:47

notentirelyallhere 💐

kittylester Wed 05-Dec-18 06:48:24

farmor, I don't think it is possible to have 2 names. I suspect the person you are talking about had to have a new name for some reason and just added a number to their original name.

BlueBelle Wed 05-Dec-18 06:58:14

notentirelyallhere please don’t take things like this personally and please keep posting we love to have new posters and new ideas but just now and then we get a few (maybe bored people or teens) try to have a laugh by posting a problem and getting everyone all revved up and it’s really not nice as people spend time and effort to be helpful and sometimes people talk about their own similar problem in the quest to be a comfort
I hope you understand what’s going on and not a nice start to your time on Gransnet
Hopefully the person or persons who were doing it this time have gone now

kittylester Wed 05-Dec-18 07:19:22

Well said, Bluebelle! It's not new posters like you notreallyallhere but the windup merchants (for want of a better word) so stay with us.

Marydoll Wed 05-Dec-18 08:05:20

notentirelyallhere, I second Bluebelle's post, please don't give up posting.
It's a shame that you had had a bad experience initially. It's a pity a few posters set out to spoil things for those seeking help or just looking for a bit of light relief in their very stressful lives.
Try the Good Morning thread, all very pleasant and supportive.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 10:03:57

For an illustration of this, do look right now at www.gransnet.com/forums/aibu/1255144-to-be-disturbed-by-a-horrid-phone-call before it vanishes!

You see why regulars don't always trust a thread?

annodomini Wed 05-Dec-18 10:04:32

A sure sign of a wind-up is when the OP presents a problem and disappears never to be heard from again. There have been a good few of these as fellow 'old timers' will doubtless confirm.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 10:19:48

Too late! HHQ deleted the thread immediately. To let you know (without, of course, repeating the post) the OP posted that it was actually him who made the call and he'd had found the replies, . . er . . . very funny.

By GrannyFoxton on Wed 05-Dec-18 09:45:16

Thanks old girls. It was actually me who made the call and I had a hoot as I masturbated over your posts. Love ya, Granny F. U.

Anniebach Wed 05-Dec-18 10:20:36

Elegran, that thread really upset me,

Chewbacca Wed 05-Dec-18 10:28:00

I have to wonder what the wind up merchants actually get out of posting works of fiction on here. Are they so lonely and bereft of real friends that they have to create an online persona and invent dramas in order to attract any attention from anyone? It's pretty sad and pathetic if that's the reason but maybe we're doing them a service/kindness in responding kindly and supportively to them and making feel that they been "seen as existing" even though their post is a load of old junk.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 10:28:33

He meant it to upset you, Annie and that is the most worrying thing about it all, that someone should think it funny to upset vulnerable older people, living alone and having lost loved members of their family. I hope GN does more than just delete the thread. I think that one is serious enough to involve the police!

Just realised that I meant to delete my copy/paste of the actual post - Gn will probably delete that message and give me a row now. Oops! (But I did think it worth describing the post, so that those who think we are just being awkward can see why we are sometimes suspicious.)

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 10:31:14

Chewbacca The example I copied isn't from someone sad and pathetic, it is from the kind of twisted mind that would think it funny to tie a firework to the tail of a pet.

Riverwalk Wed 05-Dec-18 10:34:16

Let's hope he didn't really make that phone call, just invented the scenario so he could 'masturbate over the posts'.

We know such people are all over internet forums - and that's why I never cease to be amazed at those grans who post pictures of their grandchildren, including names.

Chewbacca Wed 05-Dec-18 10:35:16

Yup, you're right Elegran; I hadn't read your post at 10.19 when I posted mine, and, having read that, I agree that whoever GrannyFoxton is, they've got some serious problems in their head.

Fennel Wed 05-Dec-18 10:57:26

And they're probably reading this too.

oldbatty Wed 05-Dec-18 11:01:12

Trust is broken. HQ needs the up their game.A 5 year old could create an account on here.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 11:01:23

GN has their details.

Marydoll Wed 05-Dec-18 11:03:03

GN should be blocking the IP addresses of these posters, if possible.
It's disgusting that such people go out of their way to target the vulnerable and lonely.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 11:03:57

oldbatty A very large proportion of posters on social networking sites are from people with mental ages round about five.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 11:08:37

Marydoll I am sure that they do block them, but to do so they have to be reported, and someone in admin has to spend time checking that they are not genuine posters before they are blocked, or there is the opposite problem of people with real problems being prevented from asking for advice.

Marydoll Wed 05-Dec-18 11:13:16

I understand that Elegran, but I assumed that once the IP address was blocked, they would be be unable to come back under another user name.

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 11:17:17

It is time that the criminal justice system caught up with people like ‘GrannyFoxton’.
There is an offence of outraging public decency.
From Wikipedia:
“Modern case law has established two elements that must be satisfied for the offence to have been committed:
the act was of such a lewd character as to outrage public decency; this element constitutes the nature of the act, which has to be proved before the offence can be established, and
the act took place in a public place and must have been capable of being seen by two or more persons who were actually present, even if they did not actually see it.”

I think that the suggestion made in GF’s post that was quoted by Elegran was outrageous and it certainly offended my idea of decency.

By posting his thoughts on a public forum, it could be argued that GF had projected his lewd thoughts onto the public.

I’m not sorry you didn’t delete the comment elegran. I think we need to know exactly the sort of person who occasionally posts and perhaps be more sceptical before making sympathetic responses.

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 11:18:51

They can use a different device, which will have a different IP. The IP is assigned to the computer, not the person, and it can be changed. Article on that here - whatismyipaddress.com/ip-basics

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 11:20:56

Jane I have replied to GNHQ that I feel they should be taking more positive action than just deleting the thread and banning the poster.

notentirelyallhere Wed 05-Dec-18 11:22:24

Thank you Bluebelle and others for being kind. I find Gransnet a fascinating and helpful site. This thread is quite an eye opener and a warning not to be too gullible. I just wouldn't have expected to find posters who were setting out to upset on a site such as this.

How complicated the world is now, all the benefits of contact with people around the world one might never have met otherwise and yet odd bods who, if you met them in person, you'd know to avoid. Are people more unhappy and disturbed than they once were and is this why they set out to upset? The other day I read a thread on here about being alone at Christmas and the posts were heart rending but also so incredibly supportive and giving of perspective. I came away thinking 'count my blessings' and how wonderful to have somewhere to say difficult things and receive support.

Marydoll Wed 05-Dec-18 11:23:20

Thanks, Elegran, I have learned something new! GN is a great educator.
I suppose someone devious enough to want to cause upset, will be savvie enough to change devices.

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 11:28:27

I agree Elegran.

kittylester Wed 05-Dec-18 11:52:56

And me Elegran! We should report suspect posts sooner rather than later and risk getting it wrong. It seems only the members are trying to protect the members.

dragonfly46 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:55:49

Wow I must be really gullible. It never occurred to me that the post was not genuine although I did think it was a bit far fetched.
What dreadful people there are in the world!!

oldbatty Wed 05-Dec-18 12:48:37

Be careful dragon especially as you are going through rough times

oldbatty Wed 05-Dec-18 12:51:39

Maybe new folk could go to the thread for new people.Some strict grans could monitor them and then grant them a golden key, where upon they are allowed to talk about cake mix and Strictly.

LullyDully Wed 05-Dec-18 12:54:13

Here here old batty. Is it just me but are 12 games too many?

Anniebach Wed 05-Dec-18 13:17:45

Why complain about threads one doesn’t find of interest, they interest others , I have no interest in cooking but accept others do so I am pleased those who are interested can share and I can choose not to read .

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 13:32:16

New folk are welcome to post wherever they like, oldbatty. However, weirdos, sadistic wouldbe comedians and drunken louts who have just discovered masturbation can get lost. They will be reported and banned sooner than they used to be, thanks to the efforts of today's batch of retards.

Anniebach Wed 05-Dec-18 13:36:55

batty, did you read the thread ? If so did it not trouble you ?

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 13:44:58

And, Oldbatty, have you read all of THIS current thread? Not all new posters (or old ones) are nice old ladies with problem families, just as not all of the people on the bus are nice either. There has been a recent spate of "joke" posts (not very funny and some really nasty) The bad apples make it difficult for the real newbies.

lemongrove Wed 05-Dec-18 13:45:08

Ah, the phone call from ‘ Mother’....I did wonder about that thread.
However, since a friend had weird phone calls ( from a distant family member) it was possible that someone had really pulled a cruel prank to the OP.
There are some very sick people out there.

merlotgran Wed 05-Dec-18 14:00:53

I wondered about that thread as well even though I posted a 'sensible' reply.

I'll go with my gut instinct in future. I can't afford to waste any words of wisdom at my age. grin

Anniebach Wed 05-Dec-18 14:08:41

I feel a fool, I read it, believed it, replied and got realy upset someone had been so badly hurt

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:21:31

but I did suggest to a poster yesterday that she should buy her grandchildren a onesie each and let them enjoy Christmas with their parents!
I suggested that on a thread too and I think it was another thread grannya

Perhaps 'onesie' could be the alarm call?

I'd just like to point out too, that if you have an internet problem or email account problem, you can't re-register with your original name, you have to add a number or alter it slightly.

Grandmashe43 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:27:40

I fell for it, troubled me, he needs a good kick up the arse, and too get out more, nasty little sod.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:27:53

where upon they are allowed to talk about cake mix and Strictly
You missed out knitting oldbatty
Even more important than dancing and cakes.
IMO only, of course!

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:31:03

I didn't twig on either Anniebach and I have a suspicious mind.
Having had experience of sorting out strange phone calls on behalf of an elderly relative I took it at face value.

BlueBelle Wed 05-Dec-18 14:35:15

Just an update I ve heard from GN this morning and the three posters I reported were posters who had been previously banned and have been deleted again, (however I suppose there is nothing stopping them coming back under another name) so whilst not acting too quickly and hurting a genuine poster we need to all be aware these ‘jokers’ are around and keep being aware

Chewbacca Wed 05-Dec-18 14:37:58

I fell for it and posted to say how awful such a thing was. But we shouldn't be feeling bad about having believed his story; its because we're decent empathetic people that we all rushed to commiserate with him. Its him that's got some serious mental health problems and is to be pitied. Imagine being so lonely and sick in the head that the only place you have to go is an anonymous forum for elderly people.

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 14:39:55

Well done bluebelle.
It’s hard to find the right balance between expressing concern for a genuine poster and being taken in by the ‘jokers’.
Perhaps this thread will put them off for a while.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:40:39

Yes, well done Bluebelle

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 14:42:38

Sorry chewbacca but having been on the receiving end of a phone call during which the caller was probably doing what GF was doing, I have no sympathy at all.

MawBroon Wed 05-Dec-18 14:59:01

The “Oranges” thread has also gone
Another one bites the dust?
GCSE mocks study leave?

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 15:02:28

I was quite enjoying the oranges one!

BlueBelle Wed 05-Dec-18 15:02:42

Just to let you know the posters I reported were Yourdadisgay who posted about being too attached to her grandchildren The post has been deleted and the poster banned Yourmumisgay and Granjesus whose thread was Computer virus ( got rude) banned and deleted
Who was the poster with the phone call from hell I did wonder about that one but gave them the benefit of the doubt Nasty bugger?
I ll probably get this post deleted because I ve named the posters but if they ve been banned shouldn’t be a problem
Keep your eyes open as no doubt they ll come back under new names for round 2

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 15:04:28

^round 2

And - in the red corner - a group of gransnetters, boxing gloves at the ready

Elegran Wed 05-Dec-18 15:09:28

Bluebelle That was GrannyFoxton. However they will all have new names when/if they try again.