ISIS girl

I thought we did and his name was BJ!

Ellanvannin!!!!! Noooooooo. Things are bad enough without him.

This whole subject is deep and worrying. Why such anger and does anyone know why?

My take on it is the first generation to emigrate here loved the freedom, the ability to make money etc., the lack of corruption, our tolerance - yes of course build yourselves a mosque etc.

Then the second generation wanted to rebel (normal semi adult behaviour). They felt displaced, neither fully western (parents trying to keep strict control in the home, not allowing private phone calls, mothers of the household not speaking English) and yet not of their own culture either. No wonder joining ‘a brotherhood’ appealed to some.

What do others think?

If we allow them back of not we do at some point need to address the reasons for radicalisation. There are so many things in our society which are in conflict with religious beliefs and in particular with some Muslim ideals. For young people exposed to both of these there must be huge conflicts. I read John Updike's "Terrorist" recently and it vividly depicts the life of an adolescent Muslim and his problems with US society. Helping them to find a way through without resorting to violence would seem essential.

How about giving them over to Assad, just a thought?
I'm sure he'd have some very non pc ways to deal with them.

Life as we live it here ( or virtually anywhere in the world) may never be considered better by Moslems

Islam has different sects as does Christianity; the mistake some people make is that they think that all Muslims think and believe the same.
Assad belongs to a different sect to the majority of Syrians and a minority belong to other sects.

The child has been born in a Syrian camp.

It's a good question urmstongran; why do some 2nd generation young people become radicalised? What is it they're looking for? Why come to Europe if they despise us so much? I'm also curious to know why some that come to the UK, apply for asylum, and are taken into a loving and supportive family to make a new, comfortable and safe life here, turn to terrorists acts. For example; Ahmed Hassan, the Parsons Green bomber that injured 51 people.

Yes agree I think we need to treat these people as prisoners of war. Put them on trial or have some sort of international trials like after WW2!

Trump is right we need to step up and control these people.

I think the last survey showed there was approximately 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Only a very small minority support ISIS.

What to do about those British nationals wanting to come back is a difficult question. I would prefer that they were denied entry to UK. How many of those who left to join ISIS still hold the same views, if allowed back how many would attempt to indoctrinate others and carry on what they look upon as a war.

I doubt very much that the people who went out to fight with ISIS will have changed their views, just because ISIS is now being defeated.

Oh no agree but we have to abide by international law because if we don’t we too won’t be able to send back foreign criminals.

It’s a given we have to have them back but it’s not time to really plan what to do with them.

Sorry now time!

We will definately have to take them all back but they need to be treated as dangerous criminals.

Just reading about another Jihadi bride who was brought back to the UK and given a council house ! A judge had previously ruled that the woman was " too dangerous " to look after her daughter. This woman faces no terror charges and like SB has no remorse in what she did--------and there'll be another 900 joining the throng !
Once the Caliphate has been debunked what can we expect here ??

I agree BB. When they come back I don’t think the majority will change their minds. A few maybe.
Look at Brexit! Very few of us have changed our minds. If it’s someth you feel passionate about ...

As 'enemies of the state' how will we deal with them? They are from a terrorist organisation, so may yearn for the civilisation of the UK, and know they will receive our humane treatment, but still want to kill us. They may also be seen as martyrs for the ISIS cause in the eyes of impressionable young Muslims.

It will be a no win, very costly situation for the UK.

Surely the Kurds and/or the Syrian authorities have the right to say whether or not they can leave the country or not?
Will they not want to investigate what they have been doing whilst they were there?

It's not up to us to facilitate their return if it is decided they need to be detained there.

Our Government would rather bury it's head in the sand than deal with these criminals in the right way.
I'm pretty sure that most ISIS supporters will be allowed back here with very little, if any penalties.
I will not be surprised if we have many more suicide bombings with innocent people being killed in the near future.

Urmstongran I think one of conflicts for young muslims is the world they inhabit where there may be sexual activity and certainly dressing they would describe as promiscuous, drug taking and an emphasis on material worth, and the world they learn about in religious lessons. Most manage this by choosing which world they will live in, but for some the solution is that the material world should be destroyed and a more religious regime imposed.
EllenVannin you have posted similar things before. Do you have any links or names so we can verify this?

I expect you’re right trisher as how ‘we’ live nowadays isn’t anything like how the U.K. was when the grandparents decided to emigrate. Plus the parents like their children to marry someone from a village in Pakistan so take them out on a ‘holiday’ to marry them by arrangement whilst there.

There are so many factors in all of this. It’s depressing.

Further to what I posted earlier, apparently the Kurds wish them to be repatriated to their countries of origin as they cannot deal with them all.
A Kurdish official said “They belong to 49 countries, and they don’t have documents and passports"

I am afraid it all comes down to education. I know some extremely well educated Muslims they have 3 children with 5 degrees between them, they wear western dress and were free to choose who they married.

We know some others who are taxi drivers and restaurant owners, their wives were chosen for them, they went to Bangladesh for their weddings and then had to apply to bring them here, these wives do not speak English, do not socialise outside of the family. It is their children which are going to be conflicted, western school system and strict Muslim culture at home.

Nail on head GG13 ??
My friend is a GP and husband a hospital consultant. They and their kids integrate well and are a well balanced family.

The poorer people referred to are also more likely to live in the deprived areas of the UK where they will see more family breakdown, more children who turn to drugs, more sexualisation (and possibly prostitution) of girls, a sub-culture of law breaking and criminality. They may conclude that a society which condones this needs to be changed. Teens are often looking for a 'set'they can belong to and radicals will offer that. It isn't that long ago that people were concerned about religious sects who recruited young people. Perhaps radicalisation has the same roots.