ISIS girl

Maybe that's one and the same thing EV.

This, and other, issues evoke strong reactions, clearly.

But maybe it'd be prudent to question what is presented in some newspapers as 'fact' - or at least view it with suspicion. We all know the press are capable of embroidery....

Stop being so disingenuous Rosina . This thread is about a specific woman and your rhetorical question could only be read as applying to her. If you’d bothered to RTFT you’d have had your answer but at the moment, people here and elsewhere are ‘asking’ inflammatory questions the answers to which are easily available but who on earth would want to be well informed when they could stir up hatred and encourage the mob? It amazes me that people who think they have the right to comment on this case don’t bother to sort out who’s who - I did post an idiots guide upthread fyi

maryeliza your info on this case is helpful, but please can you try to make your posts less intimidating.

There is so much "disinformation" out in the great World Wide Web it is relatively easy to make a genuine mistake.

She will be well aware of the resistance to her returning to UK but has stated she wants her child to be raised here. If her main concern is for her child perhaps she could hand the baby to her parents, she could then either remain where she is until she has shown she is not a threat or she could apply to go to a country which operates under Islamic law - which she has said she enjoyed living under.

I think that this is a very difficult case. I think also the newspapers are being a bit disingenuous in the way they are covering the things she says.

She lives in a refugee camp for those who have fled the ISIS strongholds - there are bound to be ISIS fighters living among them - what do you think would happen to her and her baby if she spoke out strongly against ISIS? I think you must take what she says publicly while she is living in unsafe, dangerous conditions with a large pinch of salt. Not to mention the effects of Stockholm syndrome on such a young person.

The other thing that strikes me is if this was a teenager that had been groomed to join a violent gang or a violent cult at 15 then there would be a lot of support for rehabilitation and de-programming.

That sounds like a plan Oldwoman

I don't suppose she can just stay where she is. Even in Syria now you'd need a proper visa to live there.

Out of interest, this shows who was fighting who. edition.cnn.com/2016/08/25/middleeast/syria-isis-whos-fighting-who-trnd/index.html

Honestly maryeliza I can’t understand why you are so rude. I get it that most of us infuriate you with our nonsense but why do you have to be so intimidating?

Does ‘RTFT’ mean read the f***ing text? Not sure but if it is that, it displays the aggression you routinely show on here.

Please curb your anger. Most of us don’t like it apart from the 2 or 3 who cheer you on occasionally.

maryeliza I will not engage in any further responses to your aggression, sweeping statements, and deliberate misinterpretation of posts on this thread from me and others. Today you have accused me of lying, and making a libellous statement. I have pointed out that my post was a question, and so far in this country a question is not regarded as actionable. but ignoring that you have waded in with accusations of 'stirring up hatred and encouraging a mob.' Oh, please! I am a suburban grandmother, not a card carrying agitator.
Disingenuous' is a state of knowing more than you let on. If only. I asked a question because names are associated in the news and the girls mentioned travelled together. This was for the purpose of clarification, not for inciting window smashing and petrol bombs.
Like many others I imagine, I have not had time to read the full thread here, but have read as much as I can, and on one previous occasion when I have asked about a matter already explained another poster has pointed me me to the answer. Thank you so much for your enlightening us all with your thoughtfully named 'Idiot's Guide'. There is a difference between feisty intelligence and confrontational aggression, but I think you know this very well and as another poster has suggested, it seems to be done for effect. Thanks for the laughs your posts have given. Your information might be taken seriously were it delivered in a civilised manner. It seems appropriate to end, equally dramatically, with 'Goodbye, for ever!!'

Maryelisa

Unfortunately for you posters are allowed on this thread to post any lawful view they wish. I know this may come as a shock but you are actually not the gransnet moderator

Rosina don't be upset by her. I don't suppose she can help herself and if she talks to people in real life the way she talks on GN she must be very sad and lonely. Stick with GN. Don't be driven away by one unpleasant poster.

Don't worry Rosina; she's always the same, it's nothing personal to you.

Rosina please stay at GN, I got same thing wrong Saturday evening, due to me not having my reading glasses on. It is difficult when using abbreviations and not full names.

Rosina

I had the sane from the same source when I joined gransnet. ‘Don’t post’ etc.

Fortunately as a mumsnet veteran of 11 years plus it just made me chuckle that anyone thinks they can bully me. Probably would t say boo to a goose in RL.

Sad really. Ignore

Urmstrongran you worked that out better than I could! ?

Urmstrongran! Just dawned on me. Bet you've seen that on the Other Place! ??

Oh dear I thought it meant "read the full thread"

Oh no. It's mycat who just fessed up to going over there. Sorry.

Grannygravy shall we hope you're right. ?

No I don’t go there anymore as a gran this is now my place

It means read the fucking thread ladies sorry I still have mumsnet under my fingernails.

Oh dear ?????

I know I will from now on do .....

Well she's not doing herself any favours by condoning the Manchester bombing.
My step-family were there stepping over bodies as they exited the foyer and memories of it stayed for ages, it was such a heartbreaking scene for them. They were in a state of hysteria as they ran around the area looking for their car.
Unforgiveable !!