Points system for immigrants from next year

Anyone who doesn’t understand why quizqueen’s comments about disability were so vile needs to read Crippled by Frances Ryan.

MaizieD I have never set myself up to be Mrs Nice however I am truthful, not intentionally nasty to other posters whether I disagree with them or not, and always think before I post.

I am sorry that you find my families work ethic distasteful I, however, am extremely proud of them.

I, however am - I am however

Fennel

I don't think I know any unemployed plumbers, electricians, painters and decorators, hairdressers, etc etc who are looking for work as they are always in great demand.

And the man who helps with our garden (a complete career change for him) is so in demand we should clone him!

As for handymen or odd job men - impossible to find.

I am proud of my familys work ethic but I see they had one hell of a head start compared to a lot of families.

I am, however, extremely proud of them

As so you should be GrannyFravy
I am astonished that anyone should sneer.
But I have read on other threads astonishment that DGC should actually work whilst in the 6th form or at university.

Gravy!!

Or DC come to that.

All five children worked as soon as legally able, they had to learn the value of money.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with student or school kids working. I don’t know a single child or student aged 16+ who doesn’t work for a wage in some form. But they’re not going to be able to fill the gap left by banning EU migrants.

I know plenty of fruit picking students - they all did it abroad. I know a lot of student support workers. They tend to work bank shifts & a lot only work for a short period - which isn’t great for a role where relationships are real important.

Nezumi65 several of the care agencies in our area only operate on a bank system whether those employed are students or full/part time which must be very bewildering for those receiving care. No continuity, no chance to build up a relationship or get to know the needs of the recipient.

Yes terrible shocking care. We need to start valuing these roles more.

I think you will find that most Care work is" organised " in this fashion. Obviously a recipe for favouritism when it comes to dishing out the hours.

Surely when AI and robots are more fully employed to do factory work and routine clerical work, people should be able to concentrate on creative and caring roles.

All we would then need would be the political will to properly value human capabilities, such as compassion, and reward them accordingly.

It was made clear that the proposed points system is not set in concrete in that if it is found for example that we have a shortage of carers or fruit pickers, or any other jobs deemed low skilled , then foreign workers would be brought in to fill those posts.

The whole idea is to restrict migration to only permit those who have the necessary skills and qualifications this country needs.

Completely sensible surely?

It is also vital for the government to take the necessary measures to properly protect our borders against illegal immigration which remains a big problem.

Can I point out again that when Home Helps, Carers were inhouse with the local councils they were cheaper because the Agencies that are now used are taking huge profits.

If we could go back to the old way everyone benefits. The carers get treated better and the "service users"
Also the Bank system does mean that you will have a series of people who do not know you and care is best done by building a relationship.

The points system doesn't protect our borders against illegal immigration. By definition, it's illegal and won't be subjected to any system.

Market forces already mean that the majority of people coming to the country (especially those from the EU) are those whom "the country needs". The UK has always had total control of people coming from non-EU countries. The majority of immigration has always been from non-EU countries.

People from the EU come to the UK to find work, so therefore contribute to the economy. They are generally young and hard-working and contribute more, on average, to the economy in taxes and NI contributions than those born in the UK, quite apart from the valuable work they do.

The idea that "economically inactive" people (of whom there are actually about 2 million, not 8 million, as claimed) can be shoe horned into unsuitable jobs hundreds of miles from where they live, is absolute poppycock - as is Redwood's suggestion that computers and technology can increase productivity (whatever that means) in care work.

pink local councils need to take care provision back ‘in house’. This provision is mainly in the hands of the private sector who, as you rightly point out, are in it for the money.

Care home and their workers should be employed, trained and regulated by the local councils.

I don’t agree. The type of support my son receives would not be possible via the council. Furthermore a lot of disabled people now hold the budget & run their own teams - you do not want to me talking away personal choice - it would be a hugely backward step. However, am all for preventing profiteering. There are other ways of doing that.

The irony is it is hard for small care companies to break even, yet the corporates can produce profit for hedge funds. That’s where the system is wrong. You need to look at the commissioning.

I suppose regarding Care, one size doesn't fit all. The present system for the elderly imo, absolutely stinks. The carer has bills to pay and must earn money, therefore she/he rushes from call to call trying to make money and provide decent care.

The person receiving the care has a steady stream of people in and out and no chance to form bonds.

Oh also, I think immigrants earning the threshold set by the government could threaten our security just as much as the guy in the carwash or the Polish builder or the Roma fruit picker.

Has anyone else read www.amazon.co.uk/Two-Caravans-Marina-Lewycka/dp/024196184X?tag=gransnetforum-21

I do not think that Brits are being fussy or lazy for not wanting to work on a lot of british farms these days. Most of the immigrants who do dont want to either once they see the conditions but get stuck, passports held. Slavery is rife in that industry..

Something had to give.

One serious issue is going to be the actual operational implementation of the scheme. The past ( and current) record of the Home Office does not exactly inspire confidence does it? I never got over the fact that the EU settlement application process was only designed to work on android phones and not IPhones as well. In order to get a visa, a whole plethora of evidence will have to be collected and verified. Will this be done in the country of origin? I suppose it will have to be be to check authenticity of documentation etc. I suppose there must be systems in place already in non-EU countries which will be rolled out into EU countries. But I think there are new requirements across the board which are not in operation at the moment anywhere.

Agree suzie the HO isnt fit to run a bake sale given its track record.

Re fruit picking. It USED to be quite a desirable job amongst students and back packers. It had hostel syle but decent accomodation and hours that allowef time for fun and enough pay to save up a deceny amount over the season... but conditions are so bad now.