Points system for immigrants from next year

And those not living near farms should....? I know- pay someone to pick the fruit and veg!
Also, if someone needs to be “trained” to take the place of unskilled workers then they’re aren’t “unskilled” are they? I think it’s demeaning to call care workers “unskilled”- low paid, yes, but many are supremely skilled in what they do.

Thousands of tonnes of fruit and vegetables are being left to rot in UK fields because of a shortage of pickers and packers in the face of continuing Brexit uncertainty

Perhaps we should all skip down to our local farms with baskets and lend a hand.

The fees that the U.K. intends to charge people passing the points test are the highest in the world - they also need to pay for any family coming with them - before the charge for the NHS is added on. This fee alone will keep people away when countries such as Germany charge nothing.

Yes but Germany wants immigrants Welshgran their economy needs them. Us, not so much.

Apologies. * Welshwife

Greymar

The carer doesn't set their own timetable of visits...the Agency does and the Social Services are the ones deciding how much time is given.
Please do not lay this on the carer. I have known many carers stay for longer and not paid out of compassion.What can you do in 15 mins?

The agencies are in it (as employers) to make as much money as possible. Hence the very poor wages (even for unsocial hours), usage of the carer’s own car, often no mileage allowance.

But then (and this sounds mean to say) sheep are meant to be sheared. The care workers need a UNION to stand up for their terms and conditions & improve them. The bosses know this is on the tracks as immigration is going to hit their M.O.

Time to pay ALL workers a better wage. Level up. How many of these agency business owners would be prepared to let their own family members work for a pittance? It’s shocking. I’d tell them to stick it. Say - Are you having a laugh? If more workers did that and the agencies couldn’t recruit they’d have to up their game.

pinkquartz, if you take a look back , you can see I said the carer is often rushing and trying to do a good job. This type of job is challenging and should be valued. Its an absolute disgrace that somebody has to sit and wait for a 15 minute call.

I know one lady who is a carer starts work at 6am until noon, then does 6pm until 10pm seven days a week. Multiple visits per day she is 73, older than some of the people she is taking care of!!!

The days of cheap labour are numbered.

I did not vote in the last election. I will vote next time...

* Never ever again for cheapLabour
* Never ever again for Libdem who helped the Tory
dismantle education, and social mobility for the youth.

If Boris delivers anything like a true Brexit then I'm gonna go Tory, yup!

As I said earlier how are these people so badly paid. If care workers are on tax credits, I assume farm workers and other low paid are also so why won't the British work in these jobs. However I must admit at school in the ops we were all told to get a good job by working hard getting exams etc, so regardless of the pay maybe people just don't like to get their hands dirty. I would happily work on a farm but I would be considered too old

Was at school in the sixties forgive this Samsung keyboard its crap

Once upon a time in a faraway kingdom...

A man's wage paid the bills -

Then they forced allowed women to work, and leave their children with strangers.

Now even two wage income houses struggle - and we have "in-work" benefits.

Big business is laughing.

animous as if, ever.

ethelbags why won’t English people work in the fields (not ‘on a farm’ that sounds too cosy and twee) because it’s hard, dirty, back-breaking work. Out in all weathers, rail, wind or blazing sun, no shelter. Port-a-loos.

Why should they bother when they can get furriners to come and ‘steal our jobs’ ???

etheltbags1 I would happily work on a farm but I would be considered too old

Probably not. As Pretti Patel's

Oh - never mind. Let me know when they call you up EB.

Old people used to do the Hop season quite easily. Funny that.

The past the past the glorious past

Lord knows how the UK managed crop picking - definitely not a skill, btw - before this steady flow of cheap workers?

Time to pay a decent wage WHOEVER is picking crops, surely?

You might just have to pay more, and take less profits.

Sorry, not sorry.

Hops were picked by the poor families coming down from London.

They treated it as their country holiday.
It was very hard work but the attitude of the workers was brilliant.

I'm not sure who has said they wouldn't work picking fruit and veg.
For a start, the benefits system doesn't allow someone to hang around waiting for a job they want to do, so they would be sanctioned if they turned down a job.

Greymar

I wanted it to be crystal clear that the carer is not choosing it to be this way.

Everyone deserves more than 15 rushed minutes

I hope it achieves its objectives of bringing more people into employment but there are not that many unemployed anyway. Many long term unemployed have serious mental health issues, addiction issues, literacy issues and are very difficult for businesses to manage or train. Are we going tp pay employers to take on 'hard to place' staff?

I would love it if these new rules meant employers would need to raise salaries to a living wage. No one can live on £8 an hour. But I doubt it.

If you read the paper there are so many possible exceptions that it is unlikely the policy will reduce immigration by much. This points based policy has been in place for non EU immigrants since 2008 and non EU immigration is higher than EU immigration.

The new policy lowers the bar for non EU immigrants so even if it reduces the EU component it is highly likely that immigration from India, Pakistan , Middle east will increase.

This just looks like bluster from Johnson to appease part of his support but is unlikely to increase employment or wages for British citizens.