Anyone else scared

Saetana, I have the right to express my opinion on here, thank you. It obviously differs from yours.

I don't even need to 'slag off' the government. They are doing a fantastic job, all by themselves, of being incompetent and making a complete hash of things!

I fear everyone on here just wants to wallow in their own anxiety. It’s so very important for us to support each other. Even if you’re older and can’t get out, why can’t you volunteer your services to offer to chat to other people? It’s disgusting the opinion on here and the sheer selfishness going on. I mentioned the WW2 spirit on here, I merely meant that we all need to pull together, something many years ago we were very capable of doing. Without pulling together people will fall by the wayside. I suffer from complex PTSD (child abuse) so know what really hard emotional hardship is all about. This is why I’m appealing to all of you here to help in whatever way is possible as I fear the anxiety and panic will very soon develop into something much more serious. The more people help others, the more they take themselves out and away from their own problems. As I said before I have asthma and two compromised lungs due to blood clots, if I can do stuff for others, than so can you. Please stop being so selfish.

Onelifeletslivit, I find your attitude appalling. I have serious doubts that what you are saying about yourself is true, given that you Come over extremely aggressively to anyone who is not following your dictats. Surely you would have more empathy if you have suffered as you say you have. If you are genuine then I am sorry for the pain you have suffered. BUT You have no idea of the state of my mental health and why I am depressed. Do you think I want to ‘wallow’, do you think I am ‘selfish’. How do we ‘all pull together’ when we are self isolating. Just because you have asthma and two compromised lungs and can heroically help others in these circumstances, doesn’t mean that other people with disabilities can help. How exactly are you helping others at the minute? If it involves physical contact with people then you are at risk of spreading the virus. I am helping others by staying at home, morally supporting my children and grandchildren, and avoiding unnecessary stress to NHS. If I keep safe then the ventilator that I may need can be used for someone more deserving. Many people on gransnet have very severe life threatening illnesses and are unable to help. By calling them selfish you have added another burden to their troubles. You really should go and stand in the corner until you have thought about what you are saying.

Onelifeletsliveit, I am very sorry that you're feeling so anxious and have health problems. Obviously your viewpoint is very different to mine. I try hard to understand how you feel, so please try to understand me, too.

You make many assumptions. I have no anxiety or panic myself. I'm concerned, of course, but not upset by current events.

I'm in the 'bonus' part of my life, the plain sailing older days and years. The worst has already happened, long ago. Now every day is a bonus and I have no fear.

The whole idea of the WW2 spirit is a bit suspect. It's so easy to be nostalgic about the past. People did not necessarily 'help each other out' in the war. It all depended on who you were - and who you knew. There was a thriving black market then - just as there is again now.

I do know that volunteering and helping others is very therapeutic for the volunteers, too. It helps both ways. Not everyone is inclined or obliged to do it though.

Our government exists to ensure our welfare and safety. Any decent government considers the most vulnerable in society at an early stage of crisis and should act promptly. We can never compensate for inadequate services by relying on volunteers, nor should we have to.

I do hope that you're following the advice to isolate yourself and stay safe. Just wait it out until this phase is over.

Have you had therapy for your PTSD? Have you gone into yourself and discovered and learnt ? Have you examined the teachings of your faith?

If you are so in favour of supporting others, you go about it in a strange way.

And here we go. This thread is just beginning to turn a bit mean.

There is no " here we go". I don't wish to be harangued into volunteering by a complete stranger. Nobody knows what we are doing behind the scenes.

Blimey, not going well is it?

Call me old fashioned but I was always taught
discretion is the better part of valour
Far too much virtue signalling around on social media.

I ought to have said ‘from a few of those posting’ *Greymar.
Apologies.
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I agree. Having to go to Sainsbury’s this morning and have been dreading it. The queues, the worry of getting what you need and yes the fear of being around other people. Life has been ruined by this damn virus! Still I guess you have to count your blessings things could be so much worse, at least we’re not being bombed or shot at like people in Syria for example.

At risk of being shot down in flames, (I'll be brave) I'm still very concerned that so many people seem to be ignoring the government advice and guidelines.

I'm worried about Onelifeletsliveit, who said:

'I have complex PTSD, asthma and two compromised lungs through blood clots, yet I’m doing voluntary work.'

The government definition of very vulnerable includes:

3 People with severe respiratory conditions including all cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe COPD.

It seems to me that compromised lungs is a severe respiratory condition.

Onelifeletsliveit, did you receive a letter or communication from your GP? People may have been missed. I'd expect you to be in the shielded category. Perhaps you should check?

I think there in many aspects of life there is a curve and it is accentuated by social media. There are people at either end of the curve and a massive number in the middle, muddling along, helping out, doing their best.

You had better check, Onelifeletsliveit, because she will report you if you don't.

Oh dear - another line of communication to be avoided - how nasty and aggressive this thread has become. Just before I sign off from it though I would drop one last pebble into the pond: had the government - of whatever it’s political colour had had ventilators, ICU beds, medical staff all mothballed waiting for an event that might never occur imagine the accusations of waste and incompetence that would have been circulated. BJ doesn’t have the answers, but the scientists and medics are working around the clock to understand the virus and it’s underlying structure, they are then advising the government and yes it a changing picture and efforts are being made to keep up. I would hate to be in any of their shoes just now.

Well I admit sometimes I’m scared.theres a nightingale hospital going up in my town. That scared me. I’m not slagging off the government but I definitely think they’ve made errors of judgement, eg letting the Cheltenham race meeting go ahead. However I’m doing my best to keep occupied and healthy.
Sorry but I think the WW2 spirit thing is nonsense.

How is that helping eazybee ?

This thread is turning uncomfortable. For those who are scared, haranguing them is not going to work but nor is stirring.
Can we not just calm down, follow the advice for our age group and try to be mutually supportive?

You had better check, Onelifeletsliveit, because she will report you if you don't

What on earth does that mean? Who is reporting and to which organisation?

Lucca, agree WW2 spirit. Absolute irrelevant nonsense. History shows us things were not quite as they seemed.

MawB ditto

And ditto again

An attempt to leaven the condemnatory tone on here.

Don’t you find being scared is an ever changing emotion and what we are scared about changes too. My DDiL had a baby boy by caesarean yesterday and has been warned that the ward might have corona virus. Her husband wasn’t allowed to be with her either. I’m now petrified that she and the baby will have the virus and bring it into the family home with his 2 brothers. I can only worry.

That's a real fear, Artdecogran and you are bound to be worried stiff.

I think we need to separate perceived fears and anxieties from genuine situations.

I'm sure most of us are lying awake worrying about 'what ifs' but come the morning we need to focus on what is happening and not what might or might not happen.

An attempt to leaven the condemnatory tone on here

The inclusion of a simple or ? would of course have indicated that irony was intended - unfortunately all you achieved was to sound threatening and condemnatory yourself