Boris..intensive care..

Because hindsight is a wonderful thing SirChenjin and no one could have possibly known this was coming. It’s pointless saying he should’ve done this or that ....

He is one man, one flawed individual

Greymar I thought we’d already established that history is full of powerful men on all sides of the political spectrum having flaws. Why do you find it necessary to point this out again?

Personally I am not scrabbling around for a stick to beat Boris, why on earth would I wish to do such a thing?

Greymar, why do you believe that Dr Chowdrey will be forgotten in a heart beat on this site by most? Despite the different political leanings clear from all our posts, I haven't seen anyone dismissing, or not caring about the sacrifice, the loss of life in the NHS staff who are the forefront of this awful disease.
I haven't (yet) seen anyone say we shouldn't invest more in the NHS. I have seen the occasional repeated comment that the NHS and other essential services 'waste money' on managers and systems. My experience of working in public service was of very tightly managed purse strings so far as essential items (pens) and expenses (lunch when away from base for a full working day). When in the private sector, huge amounts were spent on sweet talking customers. The corporate entertainment of customers costs small fortunes. We pay in taxes for the public services and in cash when we buy from companies that spend fortunes on sweet talking suppliers etc.
I live in hope that this pandemic encourages society to think differently about essential public services. That will influence politicians.

Where do you get the idea that Italian healthcare staff all have this wonderful PPE?

I don’t need to scrabble for a stick - there’s a whole wood available.

gilly these countries that I mentioned seemed to have the foresight. Why do you think this Govt didn’t?

Iam, ask 100 people here to name one famous politician who has been ill recently and one doctor who requested proper protection and then died as a result of not getting it.

There we have it.

From the many items on tv reporting from Italy. Into The Red Zone being just one.

You need to do a bit more research then - they don’t.

I don’t need to scrabble for a stick - there’s a whole wood available

I don’t doubt you have a stockpile.

I'm with gillybob.
All the wonderful kit in the world and rapid lock down doesn't seem to have helped Italy much.
Too many armchair experts criticising people who are actually having to make hard decisions.

They do

They really, really don’t.

Where? On several threads people have not paused in their comments while the man was in intensive care.

Given an extremely complex problem different people will set about solving it in different ways SirChenjin . It’s far too soon to say they did it right or they did it wrong . The world is not out of this yet.

Boris Johnson said he was shaking hands with coronavirus patients just weeks before he tested positive for Covid-19. The prime minister confirmed he had entered self-isolation on Friday 27 March. Early this month, he insisted that people would be 'pleased to know' that the virus would not stop him greeting hospital patients with a handshake

Why would anyone do this?

Got to agree gillybob

This isn't over

The much lauded Germany are seeing cases/deaths rising

We just don't know

China sold a lot of PPE kit to Italy when it became evident that Italy was becoming the epicentre of the outbreak in Europe.
There are a lot of Chinese immigrants living in Northern Italy.

Comments are very different from personal abuse though Elegran. What sort of things were they saying about him that were personally abusive?

I don't think we can afford to draw any conclusions at all and stating who, where or which counrey is doing better than others dips premature and counter-productive at the moment.

As oopsminty says This isn't over

Oh goodness, sorry autocorrect again.
Counrey
And is not dips!

Yes they will gilly. Some will heed the evidence get it more right than others. Cases in Germany might be on the rise but their swift response means they’re not on the same trajectory as other countries eg those who, at the beginning, thought that herd immunity was the way to go for some reason.

On the 7th April, I posted this on another thread:

It's not just the NHS that's struggling to cope with medical supplies, equipment and staffing levels though is it?

Spain: Doctors in Spain have complained of a lack of basic protective equipment as 514 people died with the virus in the country in a single day. Hernández said primary health care facilities and staff in the capital were overloaded and suffering from a significant lack of personal protective equipment, including masks, visors and impermeable gowns.

Italy: The International Council of Nurses (ICN) and the Italian Nurses Association (CNAI) are warning of the dire consequences of not supplying adequate person protective equipment for nurses working with patients who have COVID-19. Some hospitals do have enough Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), but in most cases, nurses and doctors are forced to wear masks which are far past their effective use, and in some hospitals in central and southern Italy, staff have no PPE at all.

ATHENS, Greece — Hospital doctors have staged protests around Greece to press demands for the government to hire additional medical staff and use more resources from the private sector.

France: France is at war against the coronavirus, but its army is woefully unprepared for the fight. So says emergency medical responder Dr. Sabrina Ali Benali.

“We have found a way to get masks, but that’s all we have. We don’t have disposable garments / coveralls, nor stocks of hand sanitiser, hair nets, glasses, overshoes.”

which are far last their effective use

I pick out that one phrase because it is something I have reiterated.

Hardly anyone would expect and be prepared for a pandemic on this scale and to keep equipment in storage on the off-chance that there could be such an event at some unspecified future date would mean that much of the stored equipment could be of little use if stored for years as it may have perished.

I obtained that information quite easily, by just checking through the various European countries to see what their medical personnel were saying about Covid-19. As that was only 3 days ago, I don't suppose it's changed that much since.