Where’s Boris

Care homes?
I’d be looking at the care home owners who run these very lucrative businesses
They should have bought in protection for their staff

Good point Urmstongran - but I would still hope that this time PHE can bail them out as it the workers and patients who will suffer ?

If people were losing fingers you’d stop the machines.

You want to stop treating people till it’s fixed?

What a silly comparison.

Right, to clarify, it is possible to experience more than one thing at a time. I have empathy with the medics working so hard in these terrible times. I feel concern that some of them may not have the correct PPE and therefore may be in a position to have to make a choice between saving a patient or saving themselves.

I hope so too Maw as these are unprecedented times (as we know). But thank you for getting my drift.

Urmstongran. “. I’d imagine there are some doctors in that cohort.

It’s not unrealistic to think that some of them might just be a tad politically motivated in their criticisms“

Explain? Are you saying some doctors are making things up because of their political allegiances?? Because that’s what it sounds like. Now that’s really bad. We are not allowed to criticise our government because Boris has been ill but you can imply this about people actually n the front line. double standards or what. I’d love an explanation but won’t hold my breath.

Urmstongran, wrong, in a crisis, with emergency laws, the responsibility to provide PPE is firmly with the government.

Why do people keep applying 'normal' rules to a crisis situation? Anyone?

Sorry but missed out a bit from your post. It starts with “ Let’s not forget that not everyone voted for Boris.”

Our government got the opportunity, in spite of us not being in the EU, to join in the EU bulk purchase and did not take up the offers -why?

Eglantine that is not the comparison I made. Besides, he failed to lead before he was ill and his failure to take this seriously is how he infected himself.

So, why exactly does anyone care where he is?

Well damned if he had and damned that he didn't Hetty. One can just imagine the headlines all about the majority who voted, voting for Bexit, now 'needing the EU' to get PPE.

The Italians are members of the EU and a high ranking EU official said the EU should apologise to Italy for the way the EU let them down, when they needed it the most.

France and Germany have been heavily criticised for not sharing their resources with other EU members.

and his failure to take this seriously is how he infected himself

....and you know this how?
How did everyone else who has contracted covid19 "infect themselves" ??

This thread is taking a rather surreal turn

We know where he is - he's recovering from Covid-19, so unless you've been living somewhere with no television, no newspapers or radio, your question is daft.

He went qaround shaking hands instead of taking the precautions he should. He is the Prime Minister.

And what about all the other thousands of people infected Starblaze? Are they to blame for their fate?
Yes, I was aware that he is the Prime Minister.

No, the government could have prevented a lot of deaths, simple fact. They had the information and didn't act on it. Boris failed to even attend meetings about it. Its all very well known

You might want to look at the DOH response to the Sunday Times article Starblaze

healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/19/response-to-sunday-times-insight-article/

Interesting. I don't read The Times though. I could see what was coming before the government did and I'm only a lowly keyworker. When I watched countries shutting down in the weeks before us, I knew that was what we needed to do. So did many other experts who weren't listened to.

I'm also reacting to the PMs own speeches, announcements and words, not written opinion.

I agree that "this thread is taking a rather surreal turn" GrannyLaine. Thanks for the link to a sensible and well informed article.

Urmstongran, no answer as yet.

There will be an inquiry in time.
The fact that in 2016 there was one of those disaster management events, which confirmed to government and NHS/PHE that in the event of a pandemic, there was an absence of PPE. Was anything done? No.

Urmstongran, I think the idea that because some NHS employees vote Labour, they'd be exaggerating problems to undermine the government during this crisis is, well, stretching it. My local hospital is so short of gowns and other equipment, that we have a group of people sewing these items. There's a fund raiser to buy more fabric. We all recognise we're living in unprecedented times but......

But will the inquiry be a whitewash? Most of them are.

Of course it will be a whitewash. I cancelled a trip to France because I could see they would lock down. They did. We followed what? 2 weeks later? Those 2 weeks would have been enough on their own to save many lives. So much more could have been done. As I've said on other threads, I'm a moderate. Id be saying the same whichever governmentt was in charge right now. I have absolutely no way of knowing if labour would have done a better job. Although I do know who was calling for faster action. So how on earth is this being made political?