Have I just lost a friend?

She sounds a complete idiot. A man across the road from me is similar. He was whining the other week about how bored he is, so I reminded him that it's better to be bored than stuck in a hospital, either on a ventilator, or working long shifts as a doctor or nurse. Some people are morons.

maddyone Actually greater love is shown by the deprivation, not by selfish desires being fulfilled.

Thank you maddy ..... that is a kind thing to say and I appreciate it.

ExD
Don’t mean to be rude, but why is it okay for an 80 year old to do a front line job....with all the risks to himself and others, taking into account his vulnerability
Whilst your friend who sounds like she’s in melt down should be berated for saying she’s fed up and life isn’t worth living?

I wish I could find it, but I stumbled on a hilarious poem about it that went something like this

The Covid Gestapo has decreed
That in order for this shutdown to succeed
You must stay within the confines of your garden.
(then something about getting the garden furniture ready and stoking up the barbie - ending in asking someone's 'pardon'

Then three further verses about having to sit in the sunshine and
Drink gin and beer (being of good cheer)
Not burning the meat on the bbq, and not feeling obliged to invite all the neighbours round
Getting a suntan
Watching the birds and getting paid for it

It was quite funny, and so true (except some people aren't being paid to stay at home). I will search, and post it if I find it.

I'm a bit confused as to what front line job your other half is doing at 80years old. Isn't he going to be high risk?

ExD - you were true to your beliefs - and you owned them, and I agree with you 100%. She sounds very selfish - missing a drive and an ice cream - aren't we all? Sorry if you feel you have lost her but maybe she'll simmer down and if she doesn't, you are not in any way to blame.

What does DIL and Any other of the initials on here stand for please?

I agree with oh mother. She may have been having a wobbly day. Give her a ring tomorrow yes. Let us know!

You could only say to her what you believe to be true - and what most of us believe to be true. It's incredible that some are willing to undo all the efforts of these past weeks, at such a terrible cost to people and the economy, because they are 'fed up' wtih staying in! How spectacularly selfish and stupid can you get? If you have been friends for a while she is likely to be decent person I would have thought - maybe having a melt down, and perhaps she will ring you and apologise. She certainly should - maybe her family will talk some sense in to her. Stay safe.x

What a selfish stupid considerate individual she is! I'm aching to hug my grandchildren and my children but I know, if I didn't follow the advice and took it upon myself to just "pop" in on family I would soon find myself "minus" DC and GC!

Not only that, if I did see the kiddies and passed anything onto them I'd never forgive myself!

Have to say that it is people like her who will make all this last longer. I am so glad that she has a sensible daughter in law. You were so right in how you spoke to her

She sounds like a lady on the radio the other day. She said she did what she wanted. Even visiting an elderly friend. She even said she didn’t care if she caught it just for the sake of sitting in a bench. The presenter got very cross and hung up on her

I think you are very grave and glad that you said what you did. I'm angry today.

I have a friend who posted on fb that she had driven out to the countryside to walk the dog, @ 7am, and 'how peaceful' it was. She is the sort of person who strains against restrictiveness. And she lives in an area where a lake walk is on her doorstep, a park over the road, and a v.large field to wander round. ALL this and she is in the NHS. Beggars belief.

>>brave

It will get to a point where people will say whats the point in being alive if we can't thrive.

Its happening all over the world.

Lockdown is not a sustainable long term plan.

It bought the NHS time to reconfigure. They've done that now.

Now its time to resume some variation of normal

Please don't be upset
I am sure all will be well between you
again,, everyone is frightened and it effects us all differently. Take care

Have to say that it is people like her who will make all this last longer

No they wont.
Lockdown was never going to eradicate or even prevent CV19
If anything its lockdown that makes it last longer
Viruses are naturally self limiting

I think your friend is feeling trapped and imprisoned by the lockdown and therefore wanting to 'escape' No it's not logical but this is how confinement is affecting some, and explains why they are taking exercise, walking or driving to places they never bothered with before. She sounds stressed, and deeply hurt by her family rejecting her visit. The human instinct for company is kicking in for lots of people while others are coping really well apart from a few blips.
Ring your friend for a chat tomorrow to see how she is, but keep it light and try not to discuss the news or lockdown. If she mentions it agree you have different views but are still there for her to talk to. It may help stop her feeling so isolated.

You have absolutely nothing to feel miserable about. The other party is the one who should be ashamed given how she is behaving. Good on her family memberfor not allowing her in to visit. Don't give your "friend" another thought she doesn't deserve it. Perhaps she will realise how ridiculous she is being and apologise. Yes, she could be living in a state where she would be shot for civil disobedience, which is what her actions are at the moment, doesn't
know how lucky she is not to be.

Well done, ExD. I've heard an elderly person (i.e. older than me) say "If I get it, I get it, I've had a good life" or words to that effect, with no thought to the medics who would (presumably) have to treat her, and overlooking the fact that it's a horrendous death.

She is being very selfish you are better of without friends like that.

Do you need a friend like this in all honesty?

Tell your friend that before she goes out to put in her handbag a note addressed to the hospital to the effect if she becomes infected because of her idiotic behaviour and she is seriously ill then she authorises them not to administer any life saving treatment . That she accepts full responsibility for whatever occurs to her.

heard peter hennessey on broadcasting house this morning.
re the 20K hospital deaths from covid, he pointed out that in nearly 6 yrs of the second world war, this country lost 60K civilians.
makes you think doesn't it.
and it's good that the guardian is now stating the figures as hospital deaths; there are bound to be many more than that.

notanan2 - you seem to have some very strange ideas sometimes. Viruses may be self limiting but I would hate to have to say that to the people who have lost family or friends through this current virus. This is uncharted territory we are in now and most of the countries of the World are fighting this virus. We all need to do our part in trying to prevent it spreading more and killing more.