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I'm very sorry to hear that, paddyanne.

Sorry to hear of the death of your sons friend Paddanne, was it from the same family where a mum died? Its just awful. You are so lucky in Scotland with the stance that Nicola is taking I just wish I could emigrate.
Funny enough I had a message from sister about Scotland and Wales, moaning about the fact they get free prescriptions, University etc. I suggested she contacted her Tory MP and ask why we couldn't have the same. Much respect for Scotland and Wales.............

I am so sorry about your son's friend, Paddyanne. There has been so much loss with this awful virus - it is tragic.

The Twitter post you mention is apparently from a spoof account, however. It has been all over Facebook and has been shown to be a 'joke'.

I think you need to understand the price we pay here in Wales for our free prescriptions and free parking in all hospitals for all and sundry ......we wait three years for a hip operation! Ask anyone in pain for that length of time which they would prefer!

GabriellaG54 it isn’t possible for employees to ‘decline’ to return to work when their employers recall them. Where did you get this duff information from?

Once the employer stops the furlough claim the employee receives nothing . It is paid through the company payroll not direct to the employee and is not in the employees control.

If they refuse to return to work then the disciplinary procedure would start resulting in dismissal.

It was in the 'unmentionable-on-here rag who interviewed a company boss.

I do know how payments are made and the procedures that follow, however, if employers have not and do not instigate distancing and sanitising measures (although not mentioned in the article) it would seem that employees should have the right not to return.

Ah now GabriellaG54 that is entirely different to your original post! and that discussion would be worth a thread of its own.

I was always taught to look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.
As an analogy to small and large businesses it kind of missed the mark but HMRC themselves admit that they don't go for the jugular too much, as far as the multi-nationals are concerned, due to the fact that it would hurt their reputations if they were to be hauled before the courts.
To compromise, HMRC agrees an amount which is less than the true tax due.
It's a trade off, something not afforded the man on the street.
It's my opinion that big companies and bigger multinationals should pay their whack but I do understand why HMRC act in the manner cited above.
On a teeny tiny scale, it's a bit like sweeteners for being a member of a club or someone who brings business into a company or loyalty cards...

...and I do understand that the employer holds the cards...in more ways than one.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8311337/Bosses-battle-furloughed-workers-DONT-want-return-work.html

In regard to the above posts, Although many have probably never heard of it, Section 44 Employment Rights Act 1996 could be considered the cornerstone of the UK’s Health & Safety at Work legislation.

Section 44. provides employees with the means to contest the adequacy and/or suitability of safety arrangements without fear of recriminations (e.g. getting sacked or transferred) or suffering detriment (e.g. loss of wages).

That section also provides employees with the ‘right’ to withdraw from and to refuse to return to a workplace that is unsafe. Employees are entitled to remain away from the workplace (e.g. stay at home) if in their opinion the prevailing circumstances represent a real risk of serious and imminent danger which they could not be expected to avert.

Section 44. entitles employees to claim for ‘Constructive Dismissal’ and (unlimited) compensation in the event that an employer fails to maintain safe working conditions. The foregoing means employees don’t have to wait until they (or someone else) suffer injury or illness before they can take action to get suitably safe working conditions.

Section 44. leaves employees with no excuse whatsoever for tolerating unsafe working conditions and acts as a deterrent against an employer either deliberately or carelessly devoting inadequate resources to the protection of safety in their workplace.

Hope the above helps in this debate, I at the minute cannot add more as I have only just finished work in the same field as quoted and I am now desperate for my evening meal. ?

Please excuse any text errors in the above as I did rush the post, so I hope it makes sense.

I don't read certain posts. Too auto-cue/scripted/robotic. Even with eyes wide shut it's predictable. ?

So an interview by a one business owner by a far right newspaper means that the British worker is too lazy to go back to work because they would rather live off the state.
It is reasonable to be worried about going back too earlier.
How many more bus drivers are going to die because of this policy?
This also ignores the fact that children are not back at school yet and many grandparents are concerned about having to go back to child care too early and other child care arrangements aren't in place.

GabriellaG54, in regard to your post @21:19 today, you demonstrate that only your own extreme views on any subject matter to you, and that you do not wish to even read the opinions of others.

What an attitude, someone who knows all and therefore is incapable of learning anything else.

Numbers please, re the bus drivers who have died, the main cause being Coronavirus.
Stagecoach have a protective screen around the driver and the first seats facing inward towards the aisle behind the driver's cabin, are clearly marked as Not In Use.
Every other seat has a plastic banner disallowing use.
Rows 1 3 5 7 9 on one side and 2 4 6 8 10 on the other so no individual is sitting next to, in front of or behind anyone else.
Buses are steam cleaned and sanitised every night.
BTW, the vast majority in this South Surrey area are empty on every journey to the point that bus schedules are halved.
Hourly instead of 2 hourly and so on.
There is more chance of them dying of
a smoking related disease as the vast majority now have the time between stops to have a smoke and yes, most are smokers.

Gabriella54 You can google information rather than demand it accusingly.
In mid April it was 21 in London alone. Now that figure is over 40. I don't know about the rest of the country.
I second what Grandad1943 says. Your harsh and dogmatic attitude is not conducive to friendly discussion.
Every unnecessary death is a tragedy.

Grandad1943
If I post on a thread it is after reading all posts before mine and returning to answer or add to the 'conversation'.

I mentioned no names so I wonder why you thought it was you to whom I referred.

Simply being the post following yours does not signify anything, so please do not make assumptions.

if employers have not and do not instigate distancing and sanitising measures (although not mentioned in the article) it would seem that employees should have the right not to return.

So what's the problem GG54, especially as you say you understand that the employers are in control of who gets furlough pay?

I believe that we are all learning in this unprecedented crisis, be that the government, employers, employees and especially those at the forefront of the Health Service.

The British Government is at present paying eighty percent of the wages and salaries of all those who otherwise would face the loss of their employment due to coronavirus.

The above action by government undoubtedly is not perfect and will have consequences in regard to the national debt far into the future. However, that alleviating effort many would consider preferable to the coronavirus situation in the United States were today a quarter of the entire workforce stand unemployed.

Coronavirus will be a learning curve for all long into the future. There will be good weeks along with weeks and days when the news will be extremely poor, but from what I have seen in my work over the past weeks and days, we as a nation will come through this unprecedented period.

In the above, all of Britains working population are aware they have to come through this crisis for there is no other alternative and that fact is bringing about great amounts of cooperation between employees and employers in very many workplaces.

You talk as if bus drivers are the most likely persons to be infected.
One would have to be stupid not to agree that 1 death is 1 too many, however. I will search online to see how many drivers in each main town and City have died due to Covid-19.

I'm not aware that asking with a 'please' constitutes a demanding accusation.

You have your views and I have mine and I respect the fact that those views can be aired on here but please, don't exaggerate my tone.
I asked a question.
The majority of GNers ask questions, the answers to which can be found any day of the week on Google.

No problem FarNorth no problem at all.
Goodnight. Take care. ?

22:21 post was to Jaycee5

GabriellaG54 @21:19 today, Quote[ I don't read certain posts. Too auto-cue/scripted/robotic. Even with eyes wide shut it's predictable] End Quote.

GabriellaG54 @22:07 today, Quote[ If I post on a thread it is after reading all posts before mine and returning to answer or add to the conversation'.] End Quote.

Err, a bit of a contradiction there I believe Gabriella.

Sadly I think you’re right GabriellaG . I was talking to my accountant this afternoon and he said pretty much the same . Imagine you are getting 80% of your wages delivered to you every week . Pension contribution paid. No travel costs. No getting up at 6 am .lazing in the garden enjoying the sun and a beer at 12 noon with your lunch . The alternative is getting 20% more but having to work 40 hrs and travel for another 10 . What would you choose?