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How safe is this 'bubble'

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Vintagegal13 Fri 12-Jun-20 07:26:04

Just that really - I have seen my partner 3 times (outside, socially distanced) in the past 12 weeks. So, today I have to stay 2 metres apart from him, outside, and tomorrow suddenly he can come into my home and even stay the night with no social distancing. I just don't get it, it seems like too much at once. He is not happy that I am not keen to do this, it doesn't feel right to me. I work in a shop and he is a voluntary hospital appointment driver. How do we both know we are not carrying this virus - just so confused.

tanith Fri 12-Jun-20 07:40:18

I think at some time we all have to take a risk that it won’t happen or are we going to carry on isolating until they find a vaccine to combat it which could be months/years away. I don’t think this virus is going to disappear anytime soon so I am going to follow advice and ‘bubble’ with one of my daughters household. Having said that I understand your concerns and you should do whatever you are comfortable with.

Coolgran65 Fri 12-Jun-20 07:40:18

We don’t know. Any one of us could be carrying it at any time. We can only hope that our hand washing and distancing has been sufficient. I guess you could both get tested.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 07:43:26

Personally I’m ignoring all the governments nonsensical advice. They appear absolutely clueless.

I’m listening to the science, and am delaying any easing until the R is much lower. Being near 1 is too high imo

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 09:03:56

Being pessimistic in all this I'm waiting for this so-called " bubble " to burst, scattering the virus again. I wouldn't say I was overjoyed about the suddenness of coming together. It only takes one to carry the infection while showing no sign themselves.

I'd certainly be wary of a hospital worker Vintagegall.

Iam64 Fri 12-Jun-20 09:24:24

Ventegegall - I'm with you, your bubble doesn't sound safe. I'd keep the 2 metres from anyone who works in a hospital, school, nursery, supermarket, indeed anywhere where they're coming into contact with lots of people in an enclosed space.

I realise Im more cautious because of the being over 70 and shielding bit. I do take risks I suppose because I've continued to walk my dogs since I locked myself down on 13 March 2020. I haven't hugged a loved one (except Mr i) since then. We saw our four year old grandson over the fence again yesterday - could weep for the loss of his special hugs but he's becoming an expert blower of kisses.

lemongrove Fri 12-Jun-20 09:25:15

This new measure is not saying things will be any safer for single households to mix with another single household (although as long as you are both sensible things should be better as the R number is reducing) but is being done for the mental well being of those living alone who’s lives have become intolerable due to loneliness.
If you and your partner are happy enough to continue living rather solitary lives then that’s dine, stay as you are.It’s not a command or law that you have to mix in that way.

lemongrove Fri 12-Jun-20 09:25:51

It’s not for anyone that is shielding in any case!

Maggiemaybe Fri 12-Jun-20 09:25:52

Everyone given the opportunity to join a “bubble” will be in this position, having to weigh up their own individual risk and act accordingly. For many, the risk of infection will be outweighed by the effects of isolation on their physical or mental wellbeing. Others may decide they simply feel safer keeping their distance for now. As your post demonstrates, there are going to be difficult decisions to be made, but only you can know what’s right for you. I hope it works out well for you both whatever you decide to do.

Jane10 Fri 12-Jun-20 09:30:42

As Patrick Vallance said, it's all a matter of managing risk. The scientists are concerned with the disease risk but the govt has to balance disease, economic and social, and other health risks. We have to work out our own risk I suppose.
R in Scotland is between 6-8 apparently.

MawB Fri 12-Jun-20 09:35:09

6-8 Jane10 - really?
That is terrifying. Did you mean 0.6-0.8?

lemongrove Fri 12-Jun-20 09:37:22

A bit of light relief there Maw 😁

Vintagegal13 Fri 12-Jun-20 10:29:38

Thank you for your replies, they are much appreciated. I can see this situation having adverse effects on couples with differing opinions on this. Just to clarify, he is a volunteer driver taking clients to their hospital appointments. He is not allowed to enter the hospital at the current time, and wears mask and gloves at all times. He also sanitises his car door handles and seats between clients. His clients have to sit on the back seat, not directly behind him, but behind the front passenger seat. He is doing everything possible from a safety point of view, and maybe I am over-reacting. I think I will settle for giving him a cuppa indoors, separate sofas, still 2 metres apart!

Jane10 Fri 12-Jun-20 10:41:28

Sorry Maw I thought it would be obvious. Obviously not.
Second wave isn't coming. Remember the crowds at Easter? We're weeks on from that now and infections reducing all the time.
BTW if IKEA can open with social distancing why can't more people be allowed to attend funerals?

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 10:46:04

There were enough people on beaches the other week to fill a cathedral let alone a funeral ceremony in a small area.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 10:49:16

Just some information from Kings College.

More up to date and accurate imo than what you get from the government.

Yesterday 4900 new cases

176890 confirmed cases in U.K.

Overall average R is between up to 1% with a few pockets between 1-2%

henetha Fri 12-Jun-20 11:16:42

I live alone, so can 'bubble' with one of my sons now. But I still feel very wary. So we've decided that they will have a barbecue in their back garden next week (when the weather improves again) and I shall join them for that. I still don't feel that I should actually go into their house, but the garden should be ok shouldn't it, if we maintain our distance.

Jane10 Fri 12-Jun-20 12:09:49

Covid tracker estimates 4900 cases which is down 47% from last week. Did you forget to add that part?

Jane10 Fri 12-Jun-20 12:10:21

That's new cases btw

rosenoir Fri 12-Jun-20 12:40:30

It is not really about the safety of the bubble, we have to start mixing again. It is more about containing the virus via track and trace if someone in your bubble catches it.

Jane10 Fri 12-Jun-20 12:41:44

It's a start anyway sunshine

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 13:01:25

Absolutely everyone I know is distrustful of the government advise.

Not surprising really.

The track and trace is really problematic though, and without that virus control is really difficult.

jane was your post directed at me? I assume so.

Maggiemaybe Fri 12-Jun-20 13:02:50

Of course the safety of the bubble matters. My friend’s daughter is in charge of a Covid ward. As a vulnerable person herself, my friend won’t be taking up the chance of going into her house any time soon, much as she misses her. Neither of them want to take the risk.

JenniferEccles Fri 12-Jun-20 13:12:52

It’s up to all of us to assess the risk according to our own personal circumstances and act accordingly isn’t it?

The government can’t be expected to spell out every minute detail as they would certainly then be accused of creating a nanny state!

watermeadow Fri 12-Jun-20 14:14:17

I thought I’d bubble with my nearest daughter so I can look after my granddaughter sometimes. She’s alone most of every day while her parents are WFH and her brother is back at school. She’s 8 and has had no home schooling at all since lockdown began.
My daughter says no, because the child at school is in contact with other children, who are in contact with their families, who are in contact with work colleagues etc etc.