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kittylester Sun 02-Aug-20 17:21:57

I think she is being a bit unreasonable to expect the whip to be taken away from the Tory, ex cabinet member who is accused, but not charged last I heard, with raping a woman.

kittylester Mon 03-Aug-20 10:37:06

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Galaxy Mon 03-Aug-20 10:41:20

And the result of that idea is that women rarely receive justice and many now see no point in reporting at all. The figures are horrendous. The system is broken.

kittylester Mon 03-Aug-20 10:54:14

But, is it fair that a man is vilified because a woman cries rape

I don't know what the answer is but that can't be any more valid than women not reporting rape in case they are not believed.

We cant believe all women just because they are women and none of the men.

Galaxy Mon 03-Aug-20 11:26:32

Then we continue with your system and woman after woman will have their life destroyed.

kittylester Mon 03-Aug-20 11:41:03

But, what is your solution?

Anniebach Mon 03-Aug-20 12:10:46

All men accused of rape are not innocent

All women who accuse a man of rape are not all truthful n

MayBee70 Mon 03-Aug-20 12:23:36

Is it true that Rees Mogg sat on the story for 4 weeks in an attempt to brush it under the carpet?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Aug-20 13:13:41

I suspect that the Tory mp’s name will be leaked if it isn’t made public knowledge soon.

Rape is an act of violent abuse and harm.

Anyone accused of ABH etc is named immediately.

I can’t see the difference.

lemongrove Mon 03-Aug-20 13:20:11

I read they had been in a relationship over the course of last year.
We cannot take it upon ourselves to judge any case like this, it will come out in due course.
If the whip was withdrawn it would then be obvious who this ex minister is.
It’s Parliamentary recess now in any case.

lemongrove Mon 03-Aug-20 13:21:13

Anniebach

All men accused of rape are not innocent

All women who accuse a man of rape are not all truthful n

Exactly!
Which is why anonymity should be granted to both parties.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Aug-20 13:28:55

It was so violent that the victim received hospital treatment.

lemongrove Mon 03-Aug-20 13:32:22

So the victim alleged Whitewave ( that one little word makes a huge difference!)

MayBee70 Mon 03-Aug-20 13:47:42

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lemongrove Mon 03-Aug-20 13:53:43

I agree with your first sentence at least Maybee.
Or do you know more about the rest of us when it comes to the truth about this case?
If not.....

lemongrove Mon 03-Aug-20 13:57:39

The rush to judgement by some is appalling.....and no, it doesn’t matter a fig what the accused’s politics are.There have been cases where it’s a Labour MP, a Lib Dem MP Conservative MP and SNP’s too, and very few on GN are willing to wait for the police procedure to take place before they condemn.

MayBee70 Mon 03-Aug-20 13:58:36

And do you have hard evidence that ethnic minorities are responsible for spreading the virus more than other members of society?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Aug-20 14:02:00

I have been looking at who the rapist could be.

Makes interesting reading.

Not so innocent imo

kittylester Mon 03-Aug-20 14:07:03

I have seen some hints on SM. and I was shocked. I imagine we have 2 different characters in mind, whitewave grin

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Aug-20 14:09:53

kittylester

I have seen some hints on SM. and I was shocked. I imagine we have 2 different characters in mind, whitewave grin

I think we are both right kitty

It can be more than one or two.

Callistemon Mon 03-Aug-20 14:25:25

Galaxy

Then we continue with your system and woman after woman will have their life destroyed.

Men have had their lives destroyed too.

I agree, it is more usual for rapes to not be reported because the justice system seems to be loaded against women - the victims treated as criminals in some cases and much needs to change.
Rape is a weapon, often used in war and is horrendous.

That does not mean that there are vindictive women (and men too) who will lie for whatever reasons.

Callistemon Mon 03-Aug-20 14:27:21

Whitewavemark2

It was so violent that the victim received hospital treatment.

Oh!

shock

dogsmother Mon 03-Aug-20 15:11:53

Thinking back over the years it makes me sick to my stomach the power men can wield over women and vice versa, using sex and violence and maybe ( sorry thread crossing here) I’m a stronger an more feminist person than I realize myself.
No telling personal stories just yet however....

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Aug-20 15:31:24

Experience has taught us the way rapists behave. It is essential that he is kept distant from potential witnesses and intimidating them.

He needs to be suspended

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Aug-20 15:42:21

I suspect the “innocent” 15 or so tory ex-ministers are feeling a bit miffed at the moment.

eazybee Mon 03-Aug-20 15:44:01

So you have already judged him to be a rapist?