I am a stay-at-home gran, married to a retired GP. We're in our late 60s and early 70s respectively. My DH belongs to a website for doctors. I won't name them but I am told they are well-known and the largest discussion forum for doctors in the UK, with over 200,000 members, all GMC-registered doctors. He has been a member since this website was first launched in the late 90s. He used to contribute regularly but stopped not very long ago. When I asked why, he said the site was full of narcissistic bullies and really rude people and a person cannot say anything at all without getting jumped on and abused. I was surprised as I'd never read the forums until now and have always had an extremely high opinion of doctors. My own GP, a lovely guy from the Indian subcontinent, is the kindest and gentlest person you could hope to meet. And I have had good experiences with most doctors, although of course I tend to meet most of them socially, when I suppose they'd be on their best behaviour.
But after DH said this, I asked if I could read while he was logged on. He allowed me to read several threads, warning me that they were not pretty. Unfortunately he was right. I was extremely shocked at how these doctors talk to one another - without any respect or courtesy. After seeing how rude and obnoxious so many of them are (including the women), I am not at all surprised that he's stopped posting or even reading the site. He misses talking to other people though and has joined Gransnet instead! People are so much nicer here, and he says it is because they are mostly non-medical. He says many of his friends and colleagues, including the younger ones, have left the doctors forum for good, because of this nastiness from their peers.
But it's got me wondering. Are all doctors this rude to each other, or is it just a British thing? Most of the unpleasant people I saw on this website tended to be White British. The foreigners seem for the most part polite and even diffident. Hubby and I are WASPS ourselves, so it was rather shocking to see fellow-WASPS behave so badly. Does working in a stressful profession like medicine do this to you, or is it just that British doctors are more vicious online than doctors from other nationalities? In comparison to this doctors website, people on most other forums including Gransnet are sooo polite and courteous, even when people post silly things. I rather like that and understand why hubby wishes to move here. DH says many of the nicer doctors have taken to hanging out on Gransnet and recommend it highly. Doesn't say much for the medical profession though, does it, if they have driven away their own colleagues by being thoroughly disagreeable.
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Are medical people the rudest on online forums?
(51 Posts)Has your DH been on Twitter? Or Mumsnet?
I can’t comment on his medical forum as you haven’t named it, and anyway I imagine it’s only for doctors.
I know several doctors socially and find them just as polite as my other friends.
I follow Dr Rant on Facebook but the rudeness there is quite justifiably directed at the Department of Health, and occasionally at the sort of patients who phone 999 for silly reasons.
Artemis how lovely being married to a doctor must be! I always thought that because of my health anciety.
Health anxiety! I thought I corrected it!
‘ Most of the unpleasant people I saw on this website tended to be White British.’
You can see that they are both white and British?
But ‘some’ tend not be so?
Gransnet video is new to me...
Soz, not Gransnet.
Other web forums are available.
I have been taken aback at conferences at researchers (medics) really taking apart other people's work. I suppose they have to clarify specifics etc but it always struck me as very off putting to others. Maybe within their specialities they don't have time for politeness and have to get down to brass tacks?
I think there is something about medical education which instills a sense of superiority.
Qualified doctors have to make life and death decisions and cannot afford to admit to doubts.
Inevitably mistakes are made but doctors must never, if they can possibly avoid it, admit that they have made a mistake.
So they may resort to the old "attack is the best form of defense" tactic and appear not just rude, but incredibly arrogant.
When I worked in hospitals I found surgeons the most arrogant and rude to their juniors, medical students, nurses and even patients. Sometimes they deservedly got put in their place by patients though. I remember doing a ward round in a surgical ward with the senior registrar (just below consultant level) and his entourage. They were discussing the treatment of an elderly lady with breast cancer without him actually speaking to her - beside her bed. She grabbed his white coat and said fiercely "These breests have fed 4 bairns son and naebody is taking them aff me!" (was in Scotland but I'm sure you get the jist). He was lost for words and the medical student barely suppressed a titter. As the senior nurse on the ward round I was able to stay and reassure her but had a smile when I rejoined it. Another time - same surgeon - a male patient told him "Ah kent yer faither and he was a better man than you!" There was a lot of snobbery in the medical profession in Edinburgh in those days - probably still is. No need!
I don’t know the forum the OP mentions but as the mother of a newly-qualified medic who has been working their socks off since April in the NHS, I don’t recognise the caricature painted of todays medical professionals. I would be happy to be treated by any of my dd’s colleagues that I have met, they are a lovely group of youngsters.
I actually agree Suedomin You should be proud of her.
Once, when my GP dad was visiting one of his patients in hospital (in the days when GPs did that sort of thing) the Consultant spotted him and pointed to his medical bag saying patronisingly, 'Ah Dr X, what have you got in your little bag? Your lunch ha ha!' Luckily Dad was well up to that and replied, 'That's right just a dressed crab and a well chilled Chablis.' How the medical students and nurses laughed!
That was Edinburgh medical snobbery too.
DH says many of the nicer doctors have taken to hanging out on Gransnet and recommend it highly.
Really? ?
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^DH says many of the nicer doctors have taken to hanging out on Gransnet and recommend it highly^.
Really? ?
I second that!
The last time DH was in hospital a young junior doctor was talking about how lovely the consultant was (He was!) She told us she had been awfully worried once because she had to ring him at home late at night about a patient's test results. She said he was absolutely lovely, didn't mind being disturbed and was just upset about it being bad news for the patient. From the way she spoke I gathered that this was unusual.
DH says many of the nicer doctors have taken to hanging out on Gransnet and recommend it highly.Really? ?
Yes, odd that, isn’t it Fevertree - who would have thought those nasty doctors might be entertained by anything on Gransnet.
SueDonim don’t take any notice of the embittered comments on here. I wish your DD well in her chosen profession.
To be honest with you I don't actually care if a consultant is rude or arrogant
I care that they can help cure or ease someone's pain.
Hmmm, I remember a friend saying to his medical student girlfriend ‘I suppose they encourage you lot to be arrogant so that patients will do what you say!’ She didn’t argue!
I am sure doctors, in any branch of medicine, are as just as pleasant/ unpleasant as any other group of people e.g gransnet members.
Well, as a retired doctor I like to think I am neither rude or arrogant!!
Best Doctor I ever had was rude and arrogant ,but spot on with diagnosis and treatment .He had all us young mums quaking in our shoes but I dont know anyone who had a bad thing to say about him.40 odd years down the line he's a bit of a local legend and some of us older mums think some of the younger ones could do with his often quite harsh advice.Mr T kept us all on strict diets ,made sure we exercised and raided the lockers of us mums who had long stays in prenatal wards..no junk food allowed.He had the softest of hearts though and would wrap a newborn up and take her/him on his rounds .I will always be grateful to him for my two surviving children .
TBH if any professional group wishes to be rude or arrogant or whatever in the privacy of their own forum who are we to question them?
I am not clear what OP is getting at whether she is seeking support in Dr. bashing or seeking to defend the medical profession from external criticism - who knows ?
They can say what they like to each other on their own website - that is up to their moderators.
None of anybody's business - except the doctors.
Thank you for your kind words, Varian & Janeainsworth.
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I think people don’t understand the training medical students receive these days. It’s all based around the patient - ‘listen to the patient at all times, the person in front of you is the one who knows themselves/their child best’ and so on.
One of the first things my dd’s med school tells them is that if you are disrespectful to hospital porters, one of the lowest paid NHS jobs, they have the power to make your life hell, whether as a 1st Year Student or a consultant in charge of a large department. Forget that at your peril.
I simply don’t believe your assertion Artemis that ‘many of the nicer doctors have started hanging out on Gransnet’
Why on earth would they?Got to be a joke! ?
I have come across an extremely arrogant and rude consultant and no, he was not at all spot on with diagnosis and treatment.
But in the main they have been concerned, friendly and good at their jobs.
The only doctor I may follow online is a young friend whose online chats with colleagues, particularly about COVID19, have been very interesting.
Unless someone said, how would anyone know who is a doctor on Gransnet?
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