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Students in Drag ridicule Transwomen?

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FarNorth Sat 05-Sept-20 20:08:12

www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=133844&headline=Aberystwyth+Students%27+Union+bans+drag+socials+as+they+are+%27used+to+ridicule+trans+people%27§ionIs&searchyear=2020&fbclid=IwAR240L-88Kjh8g-awbD692uOAUnc_NscfGC4--ZwgquUxm68jY9qnsuKKAc

I'm confused by this.

Drag artists have always ridiculed women and nobody (much) minded.
How can anyone tell that students in drag would be ridiculing transwomen, rather than actual women?
Why don't transwomen just lighten up, like women who dislike drag acts are told to do?

Elegran Sun 06-Sept-20 14:22:28

Trans women wishing to be treated exactly like other women will meet the same caricatures as other women do - the panomime dame, the dumb blonde, the gorgon mother-in-law, the mutton-dressed-as-lamb. All have a bit of truth to them, as well as a lot of exaggeration for dramatic effect. Anyone objecting strongly to one of them looks a bit of a po-faced killjoy.

I don't know how the drag students were played (and if it was rag week, the acting, costume and makeup abilities of the participants would be rudimentary), but if the trans women recognised themselves, it could be that was because the act had picked up on something that the trans women could see in their own mirrors, exaggerated like those standard comic characters.

Blinko Sun 06-Sept-20 14:25:40

Just wondering what proportion of the population are Trans, and how much air time do this section of the community receive. There are usually one or two threads on GN for instance. Surely Trans people make up a tiny section of the population at large.

Jess20 Sun 06-Sept-20 14:35:31

I guess if someone is trans-woman they really do identify as a woman and to be mocked for how you look can be very painful for any woman who has any lack of confidence in her appearance or gender. Bullying behaviour, aimed at someones personal characteristics, is cruel and unacceptable.

Drag queens and artists are a different kettle of fish, they wear costume like armour and I very much doubt people like 'Mrs Brown' and Danny La Rue want to be actual women. I have seen really good panto dames. They trangress so many boundaries, including gender boundaries, as part of their act, and their mockery - when done well - is more of a comment on the whole absurdity of the human condition and I do think it has a place in theatre.

trisher Sun 06-Sept-20 15:45:50

Perhaps the most fabulous drag queen around -Ru Paul. His TV show is hugely successful.

trustgone4sure Sun 06-Sept-20 15:48:59

Top answer lemongrove,i`m with you 100%.
As is the rest of the household.

trisher Sun 06-Sept-20 16:04:53

I don't agree that drag queens always ridicule women some of them simply create another persona. Interestingly there were in the past women entertainers who dressed as men, that does seem to have disappeared, but Vesta Tilley was hugely popular. Was she ridiculing men?

AGAA4 Sun 06-Sept-20 16:05:40

I don't find drag entertaining at all. A personal preference as I know it is popular.

Oopsminty Sun 06-Sept-20 16:36:53

I must be very naive

I never thought that drag artists were ridiculing women

Lolo81 Sun 06-Sept-20 16:53:45

After reading the article, it seems to me that the banning of “drag socials” is more about the gimmickry of these particular nights which are hijacked by straight men for a laugh, which is what the trans community are objecting to.

The real drag scene is generally LBGTQ allied as drag queens have a high proportion of gay men/women who perform.
I don’t agree that drag is ridiculing women, rather ridiculing stereotypical gender roles.
I enjoy watching drag and there is a huge level of commitment and talent from many of these performers. There is a whole industry around it now - look at Ru Paul’s Drag Race as an example, which has included trans contestants and opened a lot of conversation around LGBTQ rights and struggles.

Callistemon Sun 06-Sept-20 18:38:21

I think it may depend on whether a drag artiste takes themselves seriously or not, or has any real talent.

Barry Humphries is a satirist, therefore I enjoy Dame Edna enormously.