North v South - culture wars

If he were attempting to be amusing then he failed massively - and why a joke like that ? Probably his public school education to blame for everything ( applying lazy stereotypes? Moi?)

He could have said something like, although we have the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic, Northern Ballet, Opera North, etc., we also treasure our old historic football clubs, blah blah.

Instead he stupidly went down the cloth clap northern/Glyndebourne southern route. Silly man.

Well interesting that we are pretty much all in agreement

Most of us speak from life's experience and before anyone cry's "I'm offended" it is exactly what I am doing here. Born in the Midland's one experience; moved South and lived there for 48 years.

Now live in the real North East, borders of England and Scotland; and yes, there definitely is cultural differences. I am not sure about ballet and opera neither looms large in my life. Rural life, nature, dogs and horses more in keeping with the life of folks around here.

Art however very much of an industrial granite past and from which the character of the people hone. Angel of the North" a good example. Read "The Northumbrians" Dan Jackson, another version of how they see themselves from the pen of a Northumbrian.

The differences make it all very interesting.

I don’t like any of them. I’d be interested to see footballers running around in tutus and ballet pumps, singing their obscenities at each other though. Could do with a good laugh?

I embrace differences and can happily mix with a prince and a pauper, it makes no difference to me whatsoever but it makes me sad to think that many whose artistic desires are such that they feel superior in some way. It shouldn't be this way. Inverted snobbery is all it is----poor things.

My only argument is the evident inequality between North and South which is far worse than any cultural war. This is a governmental situation and not one created by its people, though has helped in a long way to cause a so-called cultural division.

That certainly would be worth seeing Disco?

I am northern (even worse Liverpudlian!). Very middle class upbringing and social circle as a child. Speak clear RP. Have much amusement here on the south coast where we now live. When people learn where I'm from, some suddenly look distracted 'mentally counting the silver'. That said most are pretty good considering the awful way the press play up our supposed differences - there are deprived areas in the south too but you'd never think it from the papers.

Sandelf another scouser here but without an accent unless I’ve spent a day in Liverpool then there’s a slight twang. We have some rather posh friends and I was visiting her 96 year old mother who is from Berkshire, when I got up to leave, trying to be kind, I said ‘Don’t get up, I can find my way out’.
Her reply was’You might pick something up on the way out, you are from Liverpool after all’.
I never knew whether she was joking or not but chose to give her the benefit of the doubt. She died at age 100 and I didn’t stop visiting her, a grand old character.

I have a friend who has 2 brothers. They were born and brought up in London only a stones throw ( or a bus ride) from theatres, art galleries, museums, opera houses etc. None of them has ever frequented any of these places, preferring instead their local football grounds and pubs. They’re still from the south though!

Mooney59: “people dance on tippy toes or watch someone singing (use the term loosely)...”
I don’t care if you are from the North or South, but you should care about showing such ignorance. Ballet dancers and opera singers devote their lives to these professions, working extremely hard to bring some beauty into this world. You speak as a true philistine. Have you heard the expression “Man cannot live by bread alone”? That is why a country like Germany is prepared to invest money in the arts. It’s called being a civilised country. But maybe you are just winding us up? As a Lancastrian, I’m personally delighted that the principal male dancer for the Royal Ballet is from Liverpool.
Interestingly football is as expensive, if not more, as going to the opera or ballet, but people seem ignorant of this fact.
To an earlier poster, Cheshire has never been considered northern by Lancastrians.

sandelf

I am northern (even worse Liverpudlian!). Very middle class upbringing and social circle as a child. Speak clear RP. Have much amusement here on the south coast where we now live. When people learn where I'm from, some suddenly look distracted 'mentally counting the silver'. That said most are pretty good considering the awful way the press play up our supposed differences - there are deprived areas in the south too but you'd never think it from the papers.

Do they check the hubs on their wheels?

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somebody born and bred on the Wirral (within sight of the three Graces) and now living in exile.

As an afterthought, I wonder if Jake the Fake was referring to some of our fantastic northern footballers when he mentioned ballet. That Marcus Rashford I a lovely mover and he isn't alone.

I'm from the NE too but have lived in other parts of the country and of the world. Now back 'home'.
No doubt about it - there's definitely a big difference between social attitudes in N and S England .
Don't know about cultural, I like classical music but can't be bothered with opera and ballet etc.
Football is good but prefer to watch rugby.

I’ve forgotten. How many football clubs are there in London?

trisher

Ee by gum. Aa'd post an answer to this but aa've whippets to walk, coal to shovel, an me flat cap to polish.

I was just going to post
Ee bah gum, me friend used to play in t'Hallé Orchestra Band but I don't know where he put his flat cap and ferret when he were playing.

football fans are known for their singing, both on the away coach and in the stands.
i think it must be hard for the players to give of their best without that wall of sound echoing around.
come on you spurs !
oh when the spurs, go marching in...

It would not surprise me in the slightest if all this antagonism could be traced back to Anglo Saxon times when there were seven kingdoms: Northumbria, East Anglia, Mercia, Kent, Essex, Sussex and Wessex (The Heptarchy), the inhabitants of each kingdom not being adverse to the odd battle or three by all accounts. Maybe it is just in our genes and over the generations it just became more verbal!!

My husband and I moved to North Devon many years ago in August, height of the tourist season and I ( from N.ireland) didn't find the shops at all friendly as they obviously thought I was a holidaymaker, or grockle as the N Devon folk call them. As soon as holiday season was over, and they realised I was a resident, things improved although in Devon always a bit of an outsider. It takes about three generations before your a local.

I was thinking of the working class culture that endured through all the years of physical hard work, culture not based upon buying an expensve ticket for some posh venue or seeing the latest in-thing, but based on a deep love of something special. It was the base of the colliery brass bands, choirs in church halls, evening classes on the arts, painting clubs and many other arts based organisations. Think Brassed Off and The Pitman Painters. The North probably has more culture than all the posh venues in the South .
Callistemon
Eeeh t ' 'Alle. Aa've 'eard o them. Right posh int 'e!

It’s one of the tragedy’s of the last thirty years that we have lost most of our brass bands since the collieries from whom they took their names and their members have closed. There are one or two clinging on. You either love ‘em or hate ‘em, but they were a wonderful introduction into music playing for very many children who grew up with the bands and became members in their turn. The Grimethorpe, the jewel in the crown of brass bands, are still going strong and giving sell out concerts up and down the country. Tickets are gone as fast as dates are announced. We’ve been to many and they never fail to impress, but funding has been a problem in the recent past, as for many orchestras and choirs.

I was brought up in Liverpool during the 50's,60's and 70's and yes it was very a deprived city as it took a long time to recover from the Blitz. However, when the city was given the City of Culture grant from the EU the city used the money very wisely and now it is a thriving, beautiful city which bursts with cultural. Added to that the people are, and have remained probably the friendliest, most helpful people I've ever met. I now live in a small village (still in the North West) which is beautiful in a very picturesque part of the country. In the north the property is cheaper, therefore many people can afford bigger houses than they would be able to if they lived in the south. I think the lifestyle and standard of living is better. Northerners tend to be more friendly than the places in the south where I lived previously for 10 years so I can speak from experience, although I did make some friends while living there.

I think I would have to hear the whole of what Jake Berry actually said ( in context) before dropping on him from a great height with bovver boots on.
As a bald statement....it’s obviously ridiculous.

I’m a Northerner who has lived in many different counties over the years including the Southern counties, and have found that Northerners are no more ( or less) friendlier than anywhere else.I have loved living in all the areas, and all have many things to recommend them.
The only thing I can agree on is that housing is infinitely more affordable in the North, but it’s a helluva lot colder up there.?

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