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Parky Wed 09-Dec-20 08:12:14

Personally I would rather UK left EU without a deal than give up our freedom. We can avoid buying French food and wine, on the wholecwe drink new world wines anyway.
British cheeses are just as good.

As for travel, we all managed before freedom of movement and can easily go back.

The thought of caving into europe and their desire to annexe uk fills me with horror

Ellianne Thu 10-Dec-20 22:47:41

lemongrove

? Did he get the wild boar through the cat flap? What a brave moggy though, amazing, he must be very territorial, some cats are more than others.Is he called Asterix?

That would have suited him!
No, he is called Louis Cat-orze (14)

Chewbacca Thu 10-Dec-20 22:51:24

I happen to know growstuff that that particular poster is Manchester born and bred and has lived there all her life. She has just had the misfortune to be stranded in Spain, due to COVID lockdown, since March of this year. She would have exactly the same access to information, first hand or not, as any other poster who happens to be currently living in another country, either by choice or circumstance.
And as for and probably from a selected group of like-minded people or the media, isn't that how most of us are accessing the news at the moment? Aren't most of us, especially those living overseas, relying on "the media" to provide us with the news, seeing as how we're pretty much confined to barracks? I'm afraid you're post has confirmed my suspicions.

MawBe Thu 10-Dec-20 22:53:41

lemongrove

*Maw*...why have you sewn a white cotton patch onto poor
Hattie??

Poor girl had to have a canine Brazilian, ie her tummy shaved for an ultrasound back in the Autumn (fears of kidney cancer) which fortunately proved clear. Her fur has grown back now - or as Flynn asked at the time “When are her feathers going to grow back, Granny?”
I was amused when we got her to learn that her kennel name in deepest Tipperary had been “Snowdrop” confusedconfused

lemongrove Thu 10-Dec-20 22:59:05

Ah, that explains it...had really thought it was a white patch of hair ( feathers!?)

MawBe Thu 10-Dec-20 23:00:33

Lucretzia

Hola, como estas?

Lovely pup, MawBe!

We had a beautiful greyhound. He lived to be 15 which was pretty good going. Most gentle dog I've ever owned

Lucretzia 15 is indeed good going. Lovely dog. They have wonderful temperaments.
My first hound had to be PTS. with a brain tumour aged 12 ,
the second dropped dead suddenly after running in from the garden also 12 .
Lovely Gracie made it to 14 but back legs were going/had gone and I couldn’t bear to see her off her legs, unable to get up and often in considerable pain.
Bit of an addiction!

Callistemon Thu 10-Dec-20 23:04:04

lemongrove

That’s an idea Elliane .....we could all have tatoos on our ears instead of passports ! ? Somebody send that suggestion to Number 10 please, think of the time it would save when going through customs.

We could have a microchip inserted when we have the vaccination!
Is that a good idea?

BTW, before I get jumped on for scaremongering - NO, the COVID vaccine does NOT contain a microchip despite the conspiracy theories.

Callistemon Thu 10-Dec-20 23:11:52

growstuff

Oh good! Is it safe in here now? Has the bullying stopped?

A bit rich, growstuff after a poster who got stuck overseas for a while (who is now back in the UK) was told she had no right to comment on what was happening in her own home city as she posted from there.
Now, remind me, who was it who told her that?
hmm

Grandmafrench Thu 10-Dec-20 23:14:47

I make it a rule never to get involved in threads which always, however well they start, are destined to end in name-calling and argument.

But, there are two things which keep being repeated on here which are making me annoyed because, whilst they may be based on the experience of one Swiss resident, in my experience are completely untrue. 1., Citizens in Europe do not routinely refer to the United Kingdom as "England". They may be confused in the US but not in Europe. and 2., In the four and a half years since the Referendum vote, I have yet to meet anyone here in France who laughs, mocks, makes fun of or denigrates the United Kingdom in any way regarding Brexit.

What's actually funny? I have found both strangers and friends are either sad (and say so), or concerned or questioning or say they are worried and show sympathy. No laughter involved (in my experience), and since I don't find anything comical about the current situation, I would not find such an attitude acceptable. I have Swiss friends, German friends, Italian, Dutch, Belgian and Spanish who speak in a similar vein, have shown kindness and concern, and they often raise questions which I am unable to answer.

I am thrilled that I have been able to live for 20 years in another country, and more than thrilled at the way I have been welcomed; but however much I have embraced the language and the culture I would never want to be anything other than British. English is my first language and regardless of the current confusion and anger which Brexit has created,
I cannot see any point in rubbishing the country of my birth and youth, especially to people who are genuinely interested in the UK and always pleased to travel and visit places that I know and love, when I no longer live there. It's also grossly insulting to UK residents and similar to spout some of the mindless rubbish which is published online and in the media on a daily basis and put there often just to whip up anger and resentment.

I consider myself a European and must say that whilst sweeping generalisations about any country are never helpful, a little diplomacy can go a very long way towards making a point in any debate.

lemongrove Thu 10-Dec-20 23:14:51

I was thinking the same just now Callistemon......

Callistemon Thu 10-Dec-20 23:17:07

However, people seemed to enjoy misinterpreting what I'd written and piling in, so I left them to it.
Oh yes, that's right, I remember now.

There was no misinterpretation.

Callistemon Thu 10-Dec-20 23:22:41

Grandmafrench thank you for a sensible and, in fact, lovely post.
I think many of us may have family and friends living in EU countries and do hear their viewpoints which are more in line with what you have posted.

Lucretzia Thu 10-Dec-20 23:24:05

Oh I'm very glad she's OK now, MawB!

They are the most beautiful, loving dogs

We also had a couple of Lurchers. They survived until 11 and 13. They get quiet as they get older. Those mad 5 minutes where they would hurl themselves round the room stopped when they were about 5! Thankfully! I'd have to leap over to tiny Minnie and lift her in the air whilst they went thundering around! Dancing round in circles Our lawn was always wrecked!

Lucretzia Thu 10-Dec-20 23:26:52

Fabulous post, Grandmafrench

Thank you for your wise words

Dinahmo Thu 10-Dec-20 23:33:32

GrandmaFrench That is my experience too. Our French friends are surprised and saddened by us leaving the EU. They do think we don't understand the peace aspect. Sometimes I don't either. And they do like visiting the UK for holidays. My doctor visits Scotland or Ireland every year as je likes to fish.

Chewbacca Thu 10-Dec-20 23:41:20

Thank you for a refreshing, positive and nondenigrating post GrandmaFrench. The continual drip, drip, drip of "England" bashing has become tedious and it's good to hear another point of view.

mokryna Fri 11-Dec-20 00:06:45

Thank you GrandmaFrench it is exactly the same experience I have in Versailles. When I spoke French in the market or shops, with my English accent, after Referendum result was known, strangers came up to me to express their sadness. My neighbours even today, discussed with masks on, that there could be a another vote in the UK later. It was because they wanted everyone to be in a big friendly family, nothing to do with laws or money.

MawBe Fri 11-Dec-20 00:40:16

GrandmaFrench and Mokryna ??. ??. ??

vegansrock Fri 11-Dec-20 06:18:17

Thank you grandmafrench for a post which shows that “the French” aren’t all hostile to the British, unlike some nasty posts which have been made castigating a whole nation, ( along, with the Germans, Italians, Irish etc of course).

Scentia Fri 11-Dec-20 06:39:52

If only it was just cheese and wine parky
All our products for our factory come from EU and all our customers rely on the EU for trade. If I were you I would ask for your post to be deleted, it is not the time for jokes?

vegansrock Fri 11-Dec-20 06:43:22

One joke which is quite good-
Why has Boris Johnson got so many children?
- Because he breaks so many withdrawal agreements.
?

kittylester Fri 11-Dec-20 07:29:41

MawBe

GrandmaFrench and Mokryna ??. ??. ??

I completely agree with you maw.

Glorybee Fri 11-Dec-20 07:42:42

Thank you for posting Grandmafrench , very balanced and refreshing.

growstuff Fri 11-Dec-20 07:46:25

Callistemon

^However, people seemed to enjoy misinterpreting what I'd written and piling in, so I left them to it.^
Oh yes, that's right, I remember now.

There was no misinterpretation.

I beg to differ. I remember the people involved.

growstuff Fri 11-Dec-20 07:47:04

Callistemon

growstuff

Oh good! Is it safe in here now? Has the bullying stopped?

A bit rich, growstuff after a poster who got stuck overseas for a while (who is now back in the UK) was told she had no right to comment on what was happening in her own home city as she posted from there.
Now, remind me, who was it who told her that?
hmm

That is not what I wrote.

growstuff Fri 11-Dec-20 07:50:08

I objected to the smearing of two Labour politicians by association with another, who had been arrested (not charged) with serious offences. I was told that the poster knows more than I do because she's from the area, whereas her current knowledge is no more than second-hand.

Those are the facts. Carry on disputing, if you like, but I'm not interested.