Rather pay than give in

I am afraid there are shortages of medicines the world over- which is why the EU have pulled together to create a strategy to deal with this as a strong group

www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20200709STO83006/medicine-shortages-in-the-eu-causes-and-solutions

Last year, when some of us warned about medicne shortages and difficulty in importing into UK due to Brexit- we were told that we were scare mongering, and I was told that it was cruel and unfair, as some GN members relied on such medicines and cancer treating isotopes for themselves and loved ones. The warning were not meant to scare, but to highlight just how serious this was and had to be countered.

Now the same people reply to someone here who says she is concerned about her son's medication, totally insensitively, and cruelly- 'oh but it will be OK, we will manage- and drugs can be flown in.

Question 1- how much more will it cost to fly in medicines?

2 - will suppliers be more likely to sell to strong large well-organised groups - ordering en masse?

3. - in a scenario where Sterling is tanking- will the suppliers working in Dollars or Euros sell to those with strong currencies, leading to much higher profits, or to those with low, unstable and dropping currencies?

4. - will countries producing and selling those drugs, like Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, etc- prioritise countries that they are in a strong partnership with, and linked by strong international agreements- or those who have turned them down

5. - are they most likely to sell to countries with no internal borders, easy to access without red tape, and without tariffs, or those who are not?

talking about British cheeses, and they are fantastic- a friend imports those by the ton into the EU and has been a fabulous ambassador for British cheeses and other products.

He announced today that No Deal Brexit will send him to the wall as exporting from UK will be just impossible or prohibitively expensive. Just one, amongst many.

Sad for him and his staff of course- but sadder for all the fabulous British artisans and their staff who make such fabulous cheeses.

I forgot, question

6.- will they likely prioretise and support transit to a country that used to be a strong and respected partner, but not only rejected them later, but did everything to undermine them and destroy them, lying to them, signing contracts they had no intention of fulfilling and breaking International Law to renege on them?

3’s a good point biba - the last time there was a shortage of my son’s epilepsy meds (actually the only time in the 6 years he’s been on it) was due to Sterling talking a dive over Brexit.

I am sorry to hear about your friend’s business. I closed mine earlier this year - it was very small (services) but with a lot of trade abroad & just wasn’t worth the hassle of continuing. I took the opportunity to get out.

biba70
but sadder for all the British artisans etc
Not a problem. Our artisan cheese makers are looking further afield now. Have you read the uk/Japanese trade deal? They love our cheeses.

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Daisymae

A friend of mine travels widely in a campervan and she noticed a change last year. Several people of differing nationalities were very unpleasant to her. She said that in all her years travelling abroad this had never happened before and she was quite upset.

It could be because she was in a campervan. Each year there are more and more on the roads, often being a nuisance.

I lived in Japan. I saw cheese once during my time there (not counting plastic burger cheese). It was in a tin. And revolting (I bought it I was so desperate for cheese).

So if we are relying on a Japanese cheese market to get us out of the hole in our exports we may have a problem.

You might be onto something there Nezumi65. The French will be more than happy to keep the majority of their wonderful wines and cheeses for themselves or within the EU. In that way they are very proud and discerning.
The British, however, are far more keen to flog their products anywhere and every where in the world , and this could end up compromising their quality.

Nezumi65

I lived in Japan. I saw cheese once during my time there (not counting plastic burger cheese). It was in a tin. And revolting (I bought it I was so desperate for cheese).

So if we are relying on a Japanese cheese market to get us out of the hole in our exports we may have a problem.

When I was in Japan (a few years ago) people were very keen for absolutely any British products. And, second hand information, my Japanese exDil also agreed that it was all the thing.

For some reason, the Japanese love British chocolate ?
They must have very sweet ‘tooth’s/ teeth.
All this talk of cheese has made me want cheese on toast.....Wensleydale of course.

Replacing what we export to the EU? No. Japan accounts for under 2% of British exports. We exported £100,000 of blue cheese to Japan in 2018 (& £18 million globally). We also have a trade deficit with Japan.

Sure it's great news that we can. continue to trade with Japan in the way we have been but it's not going to save us.

Callistemon

Yes, out of order, Lucca.

Thank you.

Cheese on toast with Worcestershire sauce of course!

PLEASE tell me we don’t import that from Europe?!

After cheddar cheese anything is possible.

Ah I see the ridiculous ‘fraudulent referendum’ claim has reared up again.
As I have said before on threads, we actually voted three times to leave the EU.
First was of course the referendum.
Then Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did extraordinarily well despite having only been in existence a matter of weeks.
Then the general election last December, won by a large majority on Boris’s Get Brexit Done promise.

Tory vote share was 43% in 2019. That's not a large majority of voters.

Lucca out of all the leaders, EU and around the world, I would say she is one of the most sensible and steadiest.

PLEASE tell me we don’t import that from Europe?!

After cheddar cheese anything is possible.

Actually, I wondered if the small amount of Cheddar cheese we import from the EU is Irish Cheddar. We've always seen Irish Cheddar in our shops, so it's not at all odd when I think about it.

Yes it will be Irish cheddar.

Daily Mail is frothing again. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9044873/Royal-Navy-vessels-dispatched-guard-Britains-fishing-waters-No-Deal-Brexit.html Utter nonsense about sending in gunboats against one of our closest allies. Even this government isn’t that stupid. It’s just the Mail stirring up hatred again if you read the xenophobic outright racism spouted in the comments section you see exactly how Vote Leave was able to use populism to get what it wanted.

God help us - everyone should be calling out this utter nonsense. Calling this out along with the racist tosh in the comments underneath is not being anti British - it’s trying to save what was once good about this country.

Nezumi65

Daily Mail is frothing again. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9044873/Royal-Navy-vessels-dispatched-guard-Britains-fishing-waters-No-Deal-Brexit.html Utter nonsense about sending in gunboats against one of our closest allies. Even this government isn’t that stupid. It’s just the Mail stirring up hatred again if you read the xenophobic outright racism spouted in the comments section you see exactly how Vote Leave was able to use populism to get what it wanted.

God help us - everyone should be calling out this utter nonsense. Calling this out along with the racist tosh in the comments underneath is not being anti British - it’s trying to save what was once good about this country.

The BBC said on the news last night that in the event of a no deal the Navy would patrol the UK waters to ensure there were no breaches

Dinahmo Fri 20:37
“There are people on here whose OHs worked on preventing the millenium bug. There may be some GNers too but I've only noticed references to partners. We have a friend who used to work for a Japanese bank in the City and he spent hours working on the bug too. As did thousands the world over. So of course it didn't happen.”

I find it so amusing when IT boffins claim credit for solving the millennium bug palaver.....it was them that created it in the first place!

Fancy being so clever inventing something so brilliant but not having the common sense to know that the year is set according to the birth of Jesus!

Callistemon

Lucca out of all the leaders, EU and around the world, I would say she is one of the most sensible and steadiest.

I don’t feel qualified to comment that much on Angela Merkel But from what I’ve see yes I think you’re right. However what saddens me most is that that none of those on here who support Brexit (as is their right) felt able to join me in condemning the use of that phrase.

We’ve hardly got any border force boats or Royal Navy anymore - they can’t control migrants in rubber boats coming across the channel so how they are going to patrol all around the coastline for fishing boats beats me. All this aggressive willy waving is so unnecessary - we lost the cod wars against Iceland fgs - in the end had to come to an ..umm.......errr............agreement.