Piers Morgan walking off set this morning

Iam64

Piers Morgan ‘giving the true facts” - which facts were they AviaParva?
Channel 4 and radio 4 news played some of the discussion. Morgan said he didn’t believe MM’s report of her mental health problems, indicated he didn’t believe a word she said.
He’s a bully, is he modelling himself now on those American shock jock presenters. Those who shout outrageous nonsense and get paid for it.

Thank you for asking that question and not assuming the worst! I appreciate that . I only watched the very brief part where Piers Morgan was trying to explain that rules in existence for a long time only allow for grandchildren of the monarch and grandchildren of the first child of the Prince of Wales to be entitled to the Prince/Princess title, and that Archie was therefore not yet entitled to that title& that Harry and Meghan would have known this. The Alex guy couldn’t grasp that simple fact , and that appeared to be very frustrating to Piers Morgan, as indeed it was to me! Hence I switched off and went for a walk.
Anyone who knows me knows that in my personal life and in my career I have always worked to prevent or counter any form of discrimination and injustice , but that also extends to never making judgements until both parties have been heard, which is why I found the unilateral judgment of the interview contents so unfair.

I am afraid if Piers Morgan said anything about Meghan, I would double check those facts. His behaviour towards her has been creepy and obsessional, I would imagine Alex like many is utterly wary of such odd behaviour.

I have never particularly liked Piers Morgan. He’s too loud and brash for me but I do often agree with what he says, including his views on Meghan.

The tv programme allegedly had complaints about what he said but how many viewers completely agreed with him ?
Possibly a greater number than those who disagreed.

I fear we are very close to a time where presenters will all be very bland, and of course politically correct.

There are a few presenters and Piers Morgan is one of them who ask their guests a question then interrupt their reply and talk over them. He is very opinionated in his views but others are every bit as entitled to their opinions as well. He cut his own throat yesterday morning.

I didn't watch the whole of the Harry and Meghan interview but the part I did see she didn't say she was told Archie wouldn't be a "Prince" but that he wouldn't have a title. I am prepared to be corrected by those who saw the whole programme.

Piers Morgan has been obsessed with Meghan ever since he once went for a drink with her and touted her as his new best friend, he did the same with Trump initially boasting about how close they were and then turning on him (although in that case perhaps understandable!)

There will be a lot of people who agree with Piers Morgan’s opinion and are keeping quiet because it’s PC to do so. I have no idea what the truth is, H and M can say whatever they want because they know the RF will not respond and perpetuate the controversy.
One thing for certain they are playing the media for all the coverage they can and clearly see them as a meal ticket for the future. Using your family in this way is pretty low wether it is true or not, I particularly criticize Harry for allowing it to happen. It all about Meghan, she is going to have to keep up her victim profile long term or the cash will dry up very quickly.
Of course she could go back to acting to earn a living and Harry could re-educate, start a new career and earn money to support his family.

I think the overarching question relating to this “news” presenter is the way that the media treat women. In this case we are talking about the Duchess of Sussex, but it could be Diana, Sarah, Camilla, and numerous others I am sure you could mention.

A letter was issued in 2019 by a wide cross party group of women MPs deploring the racism being shown in certain sections of the media towards the Duchess stating that the “colonial undertones” so evident in much of the reporting was totally unacceptable.

Women of colour in particular are faced with being accused of lying or exaggerating their lived experiences of prejudice by largely middle aged white males, who knowledge of a woman’s of colour life is zero.

This needs to be addressed, and I think that parliament needs to look at the issue with some urgency, as well as institutions like of Ofcom.
Yesterday a statement issued by the SoE claiming that the media was never racist in its reporting (something even the most right winger must have found embarrassingly untrue) has be rebutted by over 160 editors of numerous papers including the FT and Guardian.

From a Times journalist

Avia PM has form in criticising MM both on GMB, newspaper columns and Twitter - he has been doing this for a goodly while now in a way that some think of as bordering on the obsessive. If this were a one-off he might be given the benefit of the doubt but it really isn’t - it’s a pattern of behaviour. If you read up on him you will also see he has form in hounding people such as his role in phone hacking and publishing the photo of a person in the public eye laving/entering a rehab facility. I think some people ( I’m not suggesting you) should be wary of ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’

Lucca

From a Times journalist

The themes are depressingly familiar, for all women.

Women who keep a “dignified silence” are praised as such good examples, whereas women who stand their ground are seen as liars or emotional etc.

Even more depressing is the way so many women join in with and accept these tropes without question.

WWM2 ?

WWM2 ???

On the odd occasion I watched morning TV I always wondered how Suzanne Reid put up with Piers Morgan’s constant interruptions and arrogance. I think I would have been tempted to give him a kick under the desk! However, whether you agree/disagree with his views on the latest Harry and Meghan fiasco it does seem as if any kind of ‘free speech’ has died. Whilst it has been ok for people to say that they believe the Harry/Meghan allegations unreservedly the opposite is true of anyone who holds a different view and has the audacity to actually state those views on TV. I am beginning to feel that every conversation I have should be preceded by ‘ I apologise in advance for anything I might say which might offend you’.

WWM2 Well said ?

it does seem as if any kind of ‘free speech’ has died.

That's ridiculous. You can say you don't believe her, or that it seems unlikely etc.

People can't repeat and repeat in all kinds of different ways that they think she set out to undermine the monarchy, that she is a gold digger, that Harry has been duped. That Harry is a greedy person who is just freeloading on his dad. That's not free speech, that's damaging speculation and sometimes possibly libel. You are not the ones being picked on here.

And I'd point out that those of us who state otherwise get told to stop reading the threads or posting on them, or that we are somehow rude or ungrateful. And I'm not offended, FGS, I'm disappointed that we still have people who fall for the tabloid rubbish and idolise the RF to such an extent that they can't see how unhappy one of them one was in his gilded cage, and still blame him.

BTW - can you find a post where someone says they believe the allegations unreservedly? No, thought not.

The media promote controversy wherever it comes from, in the last couple of years there has been a lot of comment on Meghans relationship with the RF and indeed her own family. We now know that the allegations were largely true, Meghan has blamed the RF, they have predictably neither confirmed or denied that.

I dislike the man, his attitude and his opinions but he has as much right to express them as everyone else.

Gwyneth

On the odd occasion I watched morning TV I always wondered how Suzanne Reid put up with Piers Morgan’s constant interruptions and arrogance. I think I would have been tempted to give him a kick under the desk! However, whether you agree/disagree with his views on the latest Harry and Meghan fiasco it does seem as if any kind of ‘free speech’ has died. Whilst it has been ok for people to say that they believe the Harry/Meghan allegations unreservedly the opposite is true of anyone who holds a different view and has the audacity to actually state those views on TV. I am beginning to feel that every conversation I have should be preceded by ‘ I apologise in advance for anything I might say which might offend you’.

I think it’s more complex than this. Firstly, he had a National platform on GMB day after day to criticise her in addition to Twitter and his newspaper columns. And he’s used them all pretty relentlessly. Secondly, we don’t have free speech in this country and neither should we. Thirdly, saying you don’t believe a word someone says about their mental health problems can have consequences for other people who may be deterred from mentioning theirs.

“On the odd occasion I watched morning TV I always wondered how Suzanne Reid put up with Piers Morgan’s constant interruptions and arrogance.”

Watch BBC Breakfast and Naga Munchetty dominate Charlie
Great to watch, he just banks the paycheck and smiles, just like we all would .

In what ways don't we have free speech in this country? I'm genuinely confused by what's meant.

Unless you mean that we have a negative right to article 10 and we prohibit hate speech in the UK?

Never thought I would say this but I agree with WWM2

NellG

In what ways don't we have free speech in this country? I'm genuinely confused by what's meant.

Look it up - if you genuinely don’t know you will be a bit wiser and hopefully more understanding after reading it.

Wikipedia gives a good run down.

Thank you Alegrias for your post(s). It’s a pity but predictable that this issue as with so many is presented in such a binary fashion, generally by those who support the RF. When there are family problems, there will rarely, if ever be an objective truth. Actually that’s true of all types of relationships. All the various players will have their own versions and perceptions that can grow over time and the more time that passes, the more they are probably subject to confirmation bias and harden. I don’t think either side in this can be seen as objectives purveyors of ‘the truth’ but I think the relentless attacks on MM and PH are pretty low. I think the worst one I read yesterday said she lied about her miscarriage. Is that the type of free speech we should be championing?

WWM was there a need to be so patronising?