The EU are on a collision course with the UK over vaccines.

And my 85y old friend and neighbour in Malaga rang me before lunch to say another neighbour, of 88y, goes her first jab this Thursday!

Germany again questioning Astra Zeneca vaccine safety ?

They’ll just have to get on with it, I’ve got past caring what they do. I was keen on getting everyone vaccinated but if countries want to play silly games I’m at the point of thinking fine, get on with it. The latest scare is about blood clots again I think, but the blood clots are no more frequent than usual. Apparently very rarely some people lack something that makes the blood not clot, apparently it can be reversed quickly with blood thinners. If they prefer people to get Covid, so be it,

maddyone that’s pretty much how I feel.

I just want everyone to get a jab, so the world can open up and we can take our lives/livelihoods off of hold!

Me too GrannyGravy, but I’ve got fed up with it all now. You’d think they’d want to get everyone vaccinated wouldn’t you?

Me too although I feel sorry for their citizens. Rather than calling another halt, why don't they just vaccinate those who want to receive it?

Canadians as well.....

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

If that’s the case, they’ll be happy to let the AZ supply leave EU as planned... oh wait!

What I read about the blood clots relating to the covid vaccine, is that in a very tiny percentage of people, the body responds in a hostile fashion to the vaccine, in the same way that occasionally people can react to Warfarin.

GrannyGravy13

Germany again questioning Astra Zeneca vaccine safety ?

Oh no!
Where's the famous Vorsprung? More Rückschritt in that decision.
Just as I thought things were looking up a bit.

Berlin and parts of Canada have restricted the use of AZ vaccine again due to the blood clotting issue. They have said this is a rare occurrence though.

"Rare" is the operative word, and any reaction to any vaccine, although possible, is rare. Could blood counts be done prior to the jab for those people with a history of unstable platelet counts? That would eliminate their risk at least.
Maybe everyone else just has to take a chance.

GagaJo

What I read about the blood clots relating to the covid vaccine, is that in a very tiny percentage of people, the body responds in a hostile fashion to the vaccine, in the same way that occasionally people can react to Warfarin.

I think that’s about it GagaJo.

Analysis by France Stratégie, an agency of the French state, strongly suggests that the UK is not the egregious disaster story that many supposed. As this revised narrative takes hold, it will greatly alter the post-Covid political landscape.

The investigation shows that France, the UK, Belgium, and a handful of other countries have reported their death toll from Covid accurately – or even over-reported, as doctors in doubt put Covid on the certificate – while many others around the world have understated the true figures. Some have done so by massive margins.

The UK is not an outlier after all, and early vaccination is improving the relative picture by the day.

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I seem to remember it was reported some time ago that Germany was somewhat economical with the truth regarding Covid deaths. Or anyway, they were counted differently than here.

We are still at 400 more deaths per million population from COVID than France though, so not covered in glory by any stretch of the imagination. I sincerely hope the differential doesn’t change now, because it would mean more people dying in France, and what we all want is for the deaths to stop, wherever they are.

Agreed Casdon.

A draft recommendation from the German independent vaccine commission leaked to a local newspaper today calls for the AZ jab to be limited to the over-60s following a spate of cases of the dangerous brain condition in younger people. There have been 31 cases of cerebral sinous vein thrombosis in people who had been given the AstraZeneca vaccine in Germany, the country's medical regulator said today. Nine of those affected died.
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Urmstongran

Analysis by France Stratégie, an agency of the French state, strongly suggests that the UK is not the egregious disaster story that many supposed. As this revised narrative takes hold, it will greatly alter the post-Covid political landscape.

The investigation shows that France, the UK, Belgium, and a handful of other countries have reported their death toll from Covid accurately – or even over-reported, as doctors in doubt put Covid on the certificate – while many others around the world have understated the true figures. Some have done so by massive margins.

The UK is not an outlier after all, and early vaccination is improving the relative picture by the day.

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Jings UG, its not a competition that deserves smiley faces.

maddyone

I seem to remember it was reported some time ago that Germany was somewhat economical with the truth regarding Covid deaths. Or anyway, they were counted differently than here.

There were lots of rumours like this generally put about by people wanting our figures to look less bad. It’s called statistical nationalism and has no basis in reality - unless you've got a link?

Here’s a link explaining why early on Germany had a lower death rate - it was not about being economical with the truth

www.vox.com/2020/4/17/21223915/coronavirus-germany-france-cases-death-rate

Alegrias1

Oh here we are, making stuff up about the French again. Here's some facts:

Tests per million people in Germany: 563,000 (total 49 million tests)

Tests per million people in France: 976,000 (total 64 million tests)

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I am so sorry, I give up I only live here in France. I am not making stuff up.
I can confirm my DD and her family had tests before Christmas and Easter. DD also had one when one child in her class fell ill and I believe they all will have another test as one GD’ s class has a someone positive in her class.
I am just simply saying how we live here Versailles .

Can I ask you about schools and tests in France please mokryna?
Do the pupils have to do weekly tests at home or in school?

mokryna

Alegrias1

Oh here we are, making stuff up about the French again. Here's some facts:

Tests per million people in Germany: 563,000 (total 49 million tests)

Tests per million people in France: 976,000 (total 64 million tests)

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I am so sorry, I give up I only live here in France. I am not making stuff up.
I can confirm my DD and her family had tests before Christmas and Easter. DD also had one when one child in her class fell ill and I believe they all will have another test as one GD’ s class has a someone positive in her class.
I am just simply saying how we live here Versailles .

I didn't mean you mokryna, quite the opposite.

I meant the people who said that the French weren't testing as much as the Germans. Becuase they clearly are. And the people who speculated that the French were where we were a year ago when it came to testing. Becuase they clearly aren't.

Next time I'm correcting people who are making things up I'll be sure to say who they are.

Anyway, everyone please ignore me and my tendency to post facts rather than speculation.

Anyway, everyone please ignore me and my tendency to post facts rather than speculation.
The thing is Alegrias this thread was put into chat and some people do just that, like we might over a coffee with no recourse to facts and figures. It's not worth getting stressed about.
If the odd bit of information gets misconstrued, that is understandable. Or shall we culprits line up now for the guillotine?

Whether it's in Chat, Coronavirus or Gardening, if someone posts something inaccurate or speculative, I'll tell them.