"Tradition is just peer pressure by dead people" ?

GagaJo

Here is a tip, OldWoman70, if you want to check something that someone has copied and pasted, copy it yourself and put it into your search bar. The source will come up.

Here it is:
www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

However, there are thousands of links for explanations of how racism against white people isn't possible, due to their being the group with the most social power.

Don't understand your snippy "tip" - all I asked was for your source, which you have now supplied and I will look it up

Agree with Whitewave at 14.04.
Need to take my temperature

I have just re-read my posts summerlove I haven’t changed any posters quotes.

My first posts were pointing out to Gagajo that there are multitudes of traditions handed down by a multitude of different ethnicities not all dead white males

I posted apologies for what in hindsight was rude of me to award a trophy for Gagajo’s post and for not naming Native Indians correctly.

Being accused of being Trumpian and duplicitious by PippaZ would be hilarious if it was not so far from the truth.

And OBVIOUSLY I am talking about British culture. The history we follow, the historical texts we read and that our culture is based on IS mostly about dead white, mostly upper class men. We live in a patriarchy. History has been written by those in the ruling classes. They create the traditions.

I don't think you can state that categorically, Gagajo

If we are going to talk about British traditions, I can think of dozens which have nothing to do with the 'ruling classes'.
Many are eccentric such as cheese rolling, bog snorkelling, others picturesque eg Maypole dancing, Morris dancing, Welsh folk dancing, Scottish reels, Burns suppers, Helston Floral Dance to name a few. The Welsh Eisteddfod is steeped in ancient tradition.

Other traditions survive around the world in all countries and it is a richer world for that.

So what is your definition of tradition?

Crikey I didn't realise I'd sneezed in the pepper pot when I started this thread....or is it traditional to have a Gransnet Hooley at least once a week if there's an R in the month?

When I first read the piece in the paper I could hear my MiL telling me that in our family we have always called the first born son x and my DH's forbears would be spinning in their graves if we broke the chain.

I think that such traditions usually begin because someone wants to please or honour an ancestor.......and then over the generations it becomes peer pressure from the dead....unless you want to go along with it too.

I bet every single one of us, over the course of a year, does something because it's traditional even though we don't really want to do it.

I meant to add that I think traditions become cultural when they get taken up by other families - and that's facilities in the widest sense!

to be fair to 3nanny6, there are local authorities where white people are the minority, some in London, and i'm guessing some northern towns.
the following is from a quick google search:

In Brent, the black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) groups make up 65.0% of the population, compared to 41.8% in London. This has increased since 2011, where BAME groups made up 63.7% of the population. About one third (36.0%) of the population are Asian, 35.0% white and 21.1% black1

More than two thirds of our residents belong to minority ethnic groups. ... Tower Hamlets is home to the largest Bangladeshi population in the country, making up 32

In Newham, no one ethnic group accounts for more than a fifth of the population. The White British (17%), Indian (14%), African (12%), Bangladeshi (12%) and Pakistani (10%) are the largest ethnic groups.

the definition of racism, ie that one cannot be racist against white people, is an opinion, but not a fact.
it is a matter of opinion, though that opinion holds wide currency at the moment.

Rosie51
It was an Englishman who completely transformed Japan in the 1600 hundreds. His name was William Adams. Absolutely fascinating story.

Peasblossom Sorry you have been waiting for an answer from me to name a town or city in England that has Pakistani and ethnic minority as highly populated more so than white.

Here is one place for starters it is called Southall. and without a doubt has almost no whites.
Also certain parts of Dagenham are also highly populated by Bangladeshi and many non whites have moved out to less areas populated by ethnic cultures.
I did not answer sooner as I had things to do and have been off-line

Slight mistake meant to say many whites have moved out to less areas populated by ethnic cultures.

3nanny6 is right. she probably knows those areas.
again from mr/ms google :

93.7% of Southall Broadway's population was BAME (Black, Asian and minority Ethnic) and it was 91.4% in Southall Green. In terms of religion, the most common religious affiliation is Sikhism, with 35.4% of the population.

Wellbeck ; thank-you for pointing out I am correct.
Peasblossom made a comment that I should just quit and admit I am wrong.

I am a person that has always had an interest in the B.A.M.E.
community and know many places all over the U.K. with high population of B.A.M.E..
I have worked on projects for B.A.M.E communities and will always want them to have their rights respected.
When I said that sometimes it is the whites that are in the minority I did not mean it in racist way I just stated facts.

.93.7% of Southall Broadway's population are B.A.M..E
I hold my hands up to saying Pakistani as in general I should
have said Indian/Sikh.

You said this, 3nanny6:

I would disagree totally with that and say most certainly that the white race is greatly out numbered now by the Pakistani race and in every town /city across Britain the contingency of Pakistani/culture is no longer a minority and although people say they are the minority they are not

Which is absolutely not true.

When I said that sometimes it is the whites that are in the minority I did not mean it in racist way I just stated facts.

It is not a fact which applies across the whole of the UK; you stated that it was. It sounded disturbingly racist. It still sounds racist.

Crikey I didn't realise I'd sneezed in the pepper pot when I started this thread....or is it traditional to have a Gransnet Hooley at least once a week if there's an R in the month?

We TOO like a set to, on GN. It is one of the things we do well. ? ? ? ? ?

*DO

Agree MaizieD. I live in a Northern city. I know of one Asian family that live within a 2 or 3 mile radius of me (I am not a census taker, obviously, but...).

Is white a ‘race’? Is Pakistani a ‘race’ ? 3nanny if you can’t even get your terminology correct, it does make it difficult to discuss issues with you. Do you even know when Pakistan was formed?

Suziewoozie perhaps MaizieD and even you Gagajo are you now trying to point a finger of racism at me?

Perhaps not all cities have as many Pakistani families as I said so I will hold my hands up to that.

Suziewoozie in regard of getting my terminology wrong then just carry on.
Many people got their terminology wrong to my children and used words I will not even say on here.
I just point out my terminology for my children and it is mixed heritage/mixed race.
Also in regard of knowing about Pakistan I think I know enough thanks, I have now got a Pakistani daughter in law and she will be giving me a grand-child soon of which I could not be more pleased .
Please stop being so patronizing I have lived with bi-racial relationship for 40 years.

3nanny6

Suziewoozie perhaps MaizieD and even you Gagajo are you now trying to point a finger of racism at me?

Perhaps not all cities have as many Pakistani families as I said so I will hold my hands up to that.

Suziewoozie in regard of getting my terminology wrong then just carry on.
Many people got their terminology wrong to my children and used words I will not even say on here.
I just point out my terminology for my children and it is mixed heritage/mixed race.
Also in regard of knowing about Pakistan I think I know enough thanks, I have now got a Pakistani daughter in law and she will be giving me a grand-child soon of which I could not be more pleased .
Please stop being so patronizing I have lived with bi-racial relationship for 40 years.

It’s very difficult to have a conversation with someone about race and ethnicity if they can’t use the word ‘race’ correctly.

I can't even be bothered using energy to go there with you people are just so bloody patronizing.

Also I say again Peasblossom asked me for just one town/city
in U K that is more populated by B.A.M .E than white people.
She told me just quit because there isn't one.
I have posted that city and I am correct it seems some people want to call you a racist when they are proved wrong.
My background proves what I am and I do not need to prove anything to any of you.

I know how Pakistan was formed, Gagajo mentioned it earlier, about how white privileged people rewrite history
1917 and the partition

1947 sorry, my brain is tired