Boris and Carrie have got married!

Yes Mawbe I was being sarcastic.

The country is in the middle of a public health crisis, as the PM keeps reminding us. Seems an odd moment for him to choose to get married. Hard to respect him for it, or for knowingly (presumably?) drawing down criticism on the RC church for inconsistent practices just to suit himself and his new wife. Hostile? Critical? Of course we are.

With teacher/pupil and similar relationships, it’s not the age, it’s the power imbalance that’s telling. My dil is Parisian and has some very interesting thoughts on the Macrons.

are we getting a bank holiday to celebrate it
Mick

I can’t take Johnson seriously. As a man, husband, father or prime minister.

Yes the age gap Is their business. I’m relieved my 33 year old daughter didn’t marry a confirmed as unfaithful, unreliable, self indulgent 57 year old.

Surely he would have to have confession or absolve/ask for forgiveness whatever it is that catholic priests insist on? So, how did it go with the divorces, abortions, adultery etc? I have not time for organised religion and this has confirmed that I am right. As for those two, I do not wish them well, their marriage is on the back of many other people's unhappiness and they do not deserve to 'live happily ever after'.

GrannyGravy13

It’s 2021 and illegitimate should in my opinion never ever be used in context of a child’s birth.

No, it shouldn't, I apologise if my post inferred that but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

He didn’t have to get married in a Catholic Church. He could have had a civil ceremony at Downing Street (or even his country pad). But he took a course of action that resulted in his children not being acknowledged by the Catholic Church. Did he even think of them? I very much doubt it.
You have no idea what they think, Maybee and are seeing the situation through your own sad experiences. I am sorry that you and your children suffered but every situation, every marriage is different.
Presumably this was the bride's wish and he went along with what she wanted.

lemongrove

Ilovecheese

Because she married a divorced man. The church should either allow it for everyone or for no one, not just because the man was a person of influence.

Haven’t you read the whole thread? It wasn’t because he is a person of influence, it’s simply Roman Catholic rules.
If you are both Catholic and marry in a Catholic church then divorce, you can’t then marry someone else in a Catholic church.If you are Catholic and marry somebody in a C of E church, or a chapel, or a registry office and then divorce them,
Then later you can marry in a Catholic Church because the RC church doesn't recognise marriages made elsewhere.

My first wedding was in a Registry Office. I might add this took place before I converted to RC. So at the time of my first wedding neither myself nor my ex were RC. When I got divorced the RC treated me as a divorced (not an unmarried woman). There was no way they would let me get married in church when I married the second time even though I was a practising RC by that time.

Well said Calli. Anyway do you really think his children care that they are not ‘acknowledged by the Catholic church?’

MayBee70

But this isn’t a newborn child. These are young adults that have seen their father leave their mother for someone else and are now regarded by the church as non existent. I agree that no child is illegitimate. But this is the very same Church that treated unmarried mothers as criminals, made them give away their babies with no contact (eg Philomena). It’s just all so two faced.

Plenty of young unmarried Irish women kept their babies, my great aunt being one. The Catholic church did not go round kidnapping pregnant unmarried women, their families put them in the homes and refused to have them back with the babies.

But weren’t the parents mainly influenced by their Catholicism?

BlueSky

Well said Calli. Anyway do you really think his children care that they are not ‘acknowledged by the Catholic church?’

I suspect the difficulty for some/possibly all of Mr Johnson’s children is that they are rarely if ever (in some cases) acknowledged by their father.

MayBee70 , yes of course the Church influenced the stigma around ‘unmarried mothers’

GillT57

Surely he would have to have confession or absolve/ask for forgiveness whatever it is that catholic priests insist on? So, how did it go with the divorces, abortions, adultery etc? I have not time for organised religion and this has confirmed that I am right. As for those two, I do not wish them well, their marriage is on the back of many other people's unhappiness and they do not deserve to 'live happily ever after'.

That's what happens in a Catholic Church. You sin, you confess, you get a penance and the you can start all over again.

Dinahmo

GillT57

Surely he would have to have confession or absolve/ask for forgiveness whatever it is that catholic priests insist on? So, how did it go with the divorces, abortions, adultery etc? I have not time for organised religion and this has confirmed that I am right. As for those two, I do not wish them well, their marriage is on the back of many other people's unhappiness and they do not deserve to 'live happily ever after'.

That's what happens in a Catholic Church. You sin, you confess, you get a penance and the you can start all over again.

Perhaps I should convert.

Do we know if his previous wives were devastated to see him leave? Perhaps they were mightily relieved.

Well, from what I read at the time they weren’t having anything to do with him. And his sister said she’d never met Carrie although I presume that has changed now.

His children that is.....I think his last wife just thought it was one affair too many.

She had cervical cancer as well, so one affair too many. I'd have castrated him. Her Mum was also a Sikh. Amongst all the disregarded children and Church weddings, no one has actually made reference to this.

Maybee, I knew what you meant wrt hurt to previous children. I don' think people understand how common it is that previous children are excluded from subsequent relationship wrt their Fathers. It is obviously great if that doesn't happen but 'some' men seem programmed to making their current sex partner happy and are not that bothered about previous stuff if they are like Boris Johnson (and yes I think gransnetters are naïve to this type of behaviour or think it is ok if the chap is a wealthy sort)

MayBee70

Look, none of you seem to understand that I feel for Johnson’s other children because I know how much pain it caused my children when their dad left them. So I’ll leave you to your little Boris and Carrie love fest. I don’t pretend to be anything other than what I am which is obviously a very nasty spiteful person which is why I don’t like people being two faced about getting married in a church when, imo they lead lives that are far from Christian.

Absolutely this.

Dinahmo

GillT57

Surely he would have to have confession or absolve/ask for forgiveness whatever it is that catholic priests insist on? So, how did it go with the divorces, abortions, adultery etc? I have not time for organised religion and this has confirmed that I am right. As for those two, I do not wish them well, their marriage is on the back of many other people's unhappiness and they do not deserve to 'live happily ever after'.

That's what happens in a Catholic Church. You sin, you confess, you get a penance and the you can start all over again.

I don't think you understand how it works. When you confess you have to do it sincerely, with the intention to not commit the sin again. Of course we are human and fallible but if you cynically confess the absolution doesn't count. The priest doesn't know but obviously if you believe in God you accept he knows if your confession is sincere, if it isn't you leave confession with an extra sin not absolution.

Did his adult children attend the wedding? Sorry if I missed it if has already been said, my computer is playing up and jumping pages and jumping down pages. I think it might be possessed.

If he last went to confession when he was a child, how long would it take for a poor priest to listen to all the sins he has committed in the last forty or fifty years?

And his sister said she’d never met Carrie although I presume that has changed now.
Well, they were reportedly at the wedding.

Some blended families seem to work quite well and happily from what I have seen.

I assume Jo would have been at the wedding too given that his brother has given him a peerage. Nepotism at it’s best (or worst).