The unvaccinated

I would prefer it is all my daughter's support workers were vaccinated but I also appreciate they work for low pay and have had a terrible manager now changed, thank god so we just do what we do to protect everyone as much as possible given the circumstances. They all wear masks inside all the time and other PPE is used doing personal care and they stick to a cleaning rota.

There are other issues at play here too. I have to have faith my dd's human rights and right to life are respected within the law and within working guidelines. That should not include taking away someone else's human rights.

As an aside, I wouldn't mind getting sent to the Isle of Wight. It's good for the lungs you know. I remember visiting Ventnor and reading that there was an old hospital school there for people with breathing issues, ill health and cystic fibrosis which had since closed. So it must be true

Apologies, yes I did misread it.
A whole different meaning of course but the general theme of the post was rather anti-vaccine.

I should have read it properly though!

A Nurse's anti vaxxer mother died of covid...

www.independent.co.uk/news/nurse-mum-dies-covid-misinformation-b1906536.html

Probably best to send all the no-vaxxers to the Isle of Wight, eh, keep them away from us public-spirited folks? Send them some tents to live in and make it like the Hunger Games.

Mind you we'd have to evacuate the current residents.....maybe St Kilda would be better?

*Itsawelshthing
Germanshepherdsmum*

^Ah, these healthy people, can’t happen to me. The story about the hairdresser is amazing. She wouldn’t have me on her client list. Poor father. Still wondering if Itsawelshthing is still working as a carer. I’m one of the ‘no jab, no job’ brigade, especially with carers and NHS staff. X days to show proof of vaccination or collect your P45.

I will happily collect my P45.^

Those who would "happily collect their P45s' in this situation should be reminded that if one chooses to make themselves unemployed they will receive no government monetary assistance for several months, so they would just be cutting off their nose to spite their face basically.

Sometimes though in doing the greater good we can lose sight of the way to treat people.

The article I copied though explains more.

I think you misread that. She wrote “ over 60% of those hospitalized had been double vaccinated ”!!

“Over 60% of those double vaccinated had been hospitalised “?? topcat23

Really? Just think again about what you said. It’s nonsense.

Surely sometimes we have to do something for the greater good. By refusing to be vaccinated the risk of becoming seriously ill with Covid is far greater. The NHS is already overstretched with huge waiting lists and I think taking up a bed in ICU when it could have been avoided by being vaccinated is selfish.

Topcat23. You might want to read this
“ If fully vaccinated, the risk of being hospitalised falls by about 90%,” said Prof David Spiegelhalter, chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication, at Cambridge University. “But it doesn’t disappear, and as a large proportion of the highest risk people are now vaccinated it’s inevitable they will start to form the majority of the people with Covid in hospital, particularly as most of the unvaccinated people are young and therefore at low risk. Indeed, being young reduces the risk even more than being vaccinated.”

Another big factor at play is age. McConway says the risk of an infected person being hospitalised is at least 10 times, and as much as 25 times greater, for a 75-year-old than a 25-year-old. If the latter risk is on the mark, then a vaccine that prevents 96% of hospitalisations would slash admissions among 75-year-olds to that seen in those 50 years younger.

When it comes to deaths from Covid a fully vaccinated 80-year-old has a similar risk to an unvaccinated 50-year-old.

Future twists and turns in the pandemic may yet change the mathematics. Having a large wave of infections with roughly half the UK population vaccinated provides ripe conditions for a variant that can better evade the protection of vaccines.

As it was mentioned quite some time ago during a government announcement that over 60% of those hospitalized had been double vaccinated and that the overall covid death rate figures include those who also have cancer, diabetes etc etc as well as a positive covid test within 28 days - I have decided not to get vaccinated particularly as almost everyone I know has become seriously ill or it has made underlying conditions worse. I believe I have had Covid twice already and recovered so do not want to put my body through anymore unnecessary trauma. Freedom of choice means reciprocity and respect for others' choices not that you browbeat then into accepting your views without question. I will never let another tell me what to think but believe I am intelligent and informed enough to make my own decision. I will not answer or get into any arguments with those who disagree with me but will respect your decision as you should respect others'

From Dr John Campbell today - if you are vaccinated, and have had a covid infection either before or after vaccination - you have much more immunity than from vaccination alone.
Perhaps we should start getting closer to each other.
Hmm.
youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA

I have been vaccinated but I understand why people don't want it. The vaccine doesn't stop people from catching the virus, some people have had serious side effects (even death) and it is yet to be proven that the vaccine will stop long Covid. I have no problem with sharing an enclosed room with someone who has not been vaccinated. What I do resent is people that still won't wash their hands and either don't wear a mask or wear it around the chin when in close proximity to other people. I have had no side effects whatsoever from the vaccine , so I know for the majority it is safe but not for everyone. I see no reason why the majority cannot wash their hands.

Of course I’m not quizzing all my friends to check their vaccine status. I’m assuming we feel the same way but if I were told otherwise, it would make me think very carefully about the relationship.
It becomes less about the vaccine and more about shared values.

I made my comment way back in this discussion so I’m not quite sure what you’re saying. I was just about to congratulate Alegrias and other more recent posters for taking the trouble to ensure the correct facts are here for us all to read when that popped up.

Excuse me?

Kate54 Perhaps your friend also wouldn't want a friend like you.

supersonic

I’m reading all that has been said with interest . Surely the main reason as many people as possible need to be vaccinated is that the virus will find and infect those who are not , then mutate. If its a bad mutation, it’s possible it will then infect those who have bee double jabbed. THEN we are back to square one…2020 all over again.

Right then, speculation based in no facts whatsoever gets nobody anywhere.

The virus will infect lots of people, vaccinated or not. It already does.

There are billions of people on this planet unvaccinated and if there is going to be another variant of concern, the chances are it won't start in the UK. Delta didn't. Lambda didn't.

This mythical mutation might infects lots of vaccinated people, it might infect nobody at all.

Back to square one? Pessimism without any basis in fact, really.

I’m reading all that has been said with interest . Surely the main reason as many people as possible need to be vaccinated is that the virus will find and infect those who are not , then mutate. If its a bad mutation, it’s possible it will then infect those who have bee double jabbed. THEN we are back to square one…2020 all over again.

As if it needed saying again.
Itsawelshthing - wake up and smell the coffee!

People seem to be only taking the informatuon they want to know from all the scientific stuff. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting Covid-19 it does however in most cases prevent hospital admissions and death. Just like the flu jab.

As for the pharmaceuticalpeiple saying it was rushed theyvshould know better it was being worked on for years as the SARS vaccine so just needed tweeking to cover the current Covid-19.

My dd is also pregnant, due in six weeks time, and double-vaxxed. The stats for pregnant women who get Covid are worrying, both for the mum and baby. My dd is asthmatic and her own dd is also quite a severe asthmatic so protecting themselves by getting the jag seems the most sensible option.

My stepdaughter is pregnant, baby due in November, she has had one vaccination and is waiting for her second. She was advised to do so by her consultant.

I think that anyone who is not vaccinated should be banned from places like gymns, cinemas, theatres and the like. I had whooping cough as a baby and nearly died. I have asthma as a result, and it annoys me when people are believin the conspiracy theories and as for giving young people incentives like KFC vouchers or Wetherspoon vouchers it beggars belief. They should be banned from school/college. I believe in the stick not the carrot!