The unvaccinated

well to be fair, he has really knuckled down since so I think it was a wake up call. Worse things have happened haven't they?

JaneJudge??? (though I imagine that isn’t how you felt when he got his results...). We all know mothers know nothing - until we find out they do,

I had one of those…. He’s lovely now though!

Lucca

JaneJudge

my uni son is double vaccinated and he has had covid so can he go to a prestigious one?

Of course, which one would he prefer ?

He wanted to go to one that wanted him to get 3 As instead of 3 Cs and he thought he could achieve this by sitting on his lazy arse whinging about how awful his teachers were, well that was a lesson learnt the hard way but what do I know, I am just his Mother

She won’t read it.

I know. But I can't just leave posts unchallenged when they give out wrong and dangerous information. Some people are lost causes but I hope others won't be taken in.

Alegrias1

Prof Yeadon as a reference?

Please try harder. Dangerous anti-vaxxer.

www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/

She won’t read it.

JaneJudge

my uni son is double vaccinated and he has had covid so can he go to a prestigious one?

Of course, which one would he prefer ?

Here in France making it obligatory to have proof of either vaccination or a negative test has induced many to be vaccinated to protect themselves and others.

Prof Yeadon as a reference?

Please try harder. Dangerous anti-vaxxer.

www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/

Jillybird,, I understand your fear of covid, especially as you are already compromised with COPD, but I think your partner!s DiL is making the right decision. Professor Mike Yeadon, retired ex Pfizer VP, has stated amongst others, that no responsible medical practitioner would give an experimental vaccine to a pregnant woman after the tragedy of the thalidomide scandal 60 years ago. He also added that any woman trying to get pregnant should definitely avoid this vaccine because there was strong evidence from animal trials that it caused infertility.

Markoni40

Alegrias1

Markoni40

I don't understand the point. Vaccinated people can get and transmit Covid, so what is the difference... also how do we explain that Israel where almost all adults were vaccinated is now in serious wave 4 which is at the level of their worst ever peak? and more people hospitalized are vaccinated (in %, not absolute numbers). I think we need to admin that vaccines do not work against Delta variant.

Vaccines do work against the Delta variant. It is wrong to say otherwise.

www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-vaccines-are-still-effective-against-delta-variant-study-confirms/110553/

The level of infections is high in Israel but the level of serious illness and death is about 1/4 of what it would be if there was no vaccination.

The reason that a high percentage of people in hospital have been vaccinated is that a high percentage of people have been vaccinated ; if 100% of people had been vaccinated 100% of people in hospital would have been vaccinated. But there would be far fewer people in hospital.

Well, depends how you read the numbers.. if 60% of total population is vaccinated and 65% of hospital cases are vaccinated then there is disproportionally more people hospitalized with vaccine then without. And this is the case right now on Israel.

This explains it: www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

TL;DR - it depends on the age profile of the people who have been vaccinated and the age profile of people who are ill. Its not linear with age. Older people, who are more likely than the younger ones to have severe Covid requiring hospitalisation, even after vaccination, are more likely to be vaccinated than younger ones.

*than without

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Alegrias1

Markoni40

I don't understand the point. Vaccinated people can get and transmit Covid, so what is the difference... also how do we explain that Israel where almost all adults were vaccinated is now in serious wave 4 which is at the level of their worst ever peak? and more people hospitalized are vaccinated (in %, not absolute numbers). I think we need to admin that vaccines do not work against Delta variant.

Vaccines do work against the Delta variant. It is wrong to say otherwise.

www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-vaccines-are-still-effective-against-delta-variant-study-confirms/110553/

The level of infections is high in Israel but the level of serious illness and death is about 1/4 of what it would be if there was no vaccination.

The reason that a high percentage of people in hospital have been vaccinated is that a high percentage of people have been vaccinated ; if 100% of people had been vaccinated 100% of people in hospital would have been vaccinated. But there would be far fewer people in hospital.

Well, depends how you read the numbers.. if 60% of total population is vaccinated and 65% of hospital cases are vaccinated then there is disproportionally more people hospitalized with vaccine then without. And this is the case right now on Israel.

Anne2108

AlegriasJ. Where are you getting your figures?. I have just checked again the government MHRA yellow card system. As at the 4 August, there were 342,014 reports, which included 1,135,579 adverse events and 1,559 fatalities..

I can't find that page Anne2108 but I have got this:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

As of 11 August 2021, for the UK, 104,446 Yellow Cards have been reported for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, 228,239 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 13,325 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 1022 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsduetothevaccine

There are currently 2 deaths registered with the aligning ICD codes for this.

I suppose 1,557 people could have died in the last 8 weeks because of the vaccine but its quite unlikely, I think. More likely explained by the mistake in interpreting the figures that Minerva described at 12:46.

But if you post a link to your data, I'd like to see it.

AlegriasJ. Where are you getting your figures?. I have just checked again the government MHRA yellow card system. As at the 4 August, there were 342,014 reports, which included 1,135,579 adverse events and 1,559 fatalities..

Has long covid, not had.

My daughter, 44, had covid in March 2020. She was unwell at home for several weeks but wasn't hospitalised. She is suffering from long covid 18 months later. Total exhaustion most days. Her GP has investigated every other possibility but nothing else has materialised in her results so the consensus is that she had long covid. She's since had her vaccinations as it's possible to get covid more than once and ad an asthmatic she wants to help herself in every way possible.

I'm VERY pro vaccine, wish everyone was but understand that some people have sensible reasons for not being vaccinated.
Others are rather less sensible in their reasoning but they still have the right to not have the vaccination and I feel that everyone should have the right to make their own decisions on this. However I do agree that some places require people to have had their vaccinations to be able to access the venue and this is what is needed to try to hold back the numbers infected as far as possible and to make others going to the venue feel safer.

I've been double vaccinated. I'm on the ONS programme where they come monthly and you swab and take blood. They send the results through the post and use the results for their surveys.
I'm on Prednisolone for PMR since August 2020 and this affects the results for antibodies. Over the last 3 months my results have shown NO ANTIBODIES, then ANTIBODIES and finally NO ANTIBODIES!
Consequently I'm having to be more careful. I still go out some days to some places that I feel are safer.
In Septembe, I will be going to Wales for last year's holiday in a holiday cottage. We will go to places that feel safe to us. Hopefully all will be well. Fingers firmly crossed.

I remember reading or hearing several months ago that there are no health reasons not to have the vaccination as there is nothing in it to cause a bad reaction. Wish I could remember the details.

I think Minerva explained very well where the 1,500 comes from

According to official U.K. yellow card data, there have now been over 1500 deaths and nearly a million adverse effects from the vaccines.

Wee bit of an exaggeration in Anne2108's post; 2 deaths and 350,000 yellow carded adverse events. (One of them was me; my INR peaked for 2 days and came down again. Could have been due to eating chick peas. No, really )

Fair do’s Alegrias 1500 and 2 - close! (But not very)

As my granddaughter is quite poorly with Covid at the moment and has been for the last 4 days, and as it looks as if her younger brother has now got it (test results awaited), I am obviously very pro vax.

Well said, Anne2108. I agree with your post 100%

What, even the bits that two of us have already shown to be wrong?

The bus thing is getting really old now.