The unvaccinated

So Itsawelshthing, do I correctly understand that you are currently working as a carer, and expect to do so until at least the end of the year, whilst refusing to be vaccinated?

Kate54

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

I would not dream of asking about another's personal vacation status.
I have been double vaccinated so my risk has gone down
I was at a meeting yesterday with several friends and acquaintances we were in a well ventilated room but I have not got the foggiest who was vaccinated and who was not
As vaccinated people can also pass on the virus as easily as the unvaccinated it does tend to make their status irrelevant

Kate54

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

I agree Kate. Ditto with continuing to take precautions (masks, social distancing, no eating out indoors, no close contact where possible (at times unavoidable) with others). I offended someone this week, because I didn't want to be in a small enclosed space with them and their family. But I'm putting my health first. I've changed jobs so I can work from home.

I still do essential stuff. Shopping. Stuff with GS. But I haven't returned to normal life and won't for the foreseeable.

My brother and his partner are unvaccinated for several reasons. The main reason being that they live a very isolated existence at the top of a hill, both work from home, seldom go out and wear masks/sanitise if they have to. Days-even weeks- can pass without them seeing anyone. He feels that given their lifestyle they are not at any significant risk of either getting or transmitting the Covid virus. My brother has also worked for one of the big pharmaceutical companies and given his experience he is concerned about the speed of the vaccine development/release. We as a family would obviously be happier were they to have the vaccine. My brother is irritated by being seen as “an unclean social pariah” and mutters about “health Nazis” but I’ve almost fallen out with him trying to tell him that he had the right to make his choice but that there are consequences. He feels that his decision should be respected. I’m at a loss now so am staying out of any future debates!

I am retraining for another role so hopefully I will not be working in care by next year. I've been wanting to do this for a long time now so I think this has given me the push that I needed to persue another career x

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

Itsawelshthing

Oldwoman70

People are free to decide for themselves whether they wish to be vaccinated, but shouldn't business owners also be free to decide whether they want unvaccinated people using their premises in order to protect their workforce?

Freedom works both ways - you can't demand to be able to decide for yourself whether you have the vaccine but refuse to allow others to decide whether they want you on their premises.

I agree that it should be their choice, not the government. If business owners did this then I'm sure it wouldn't be long before they have to close down indefinitely so they probably wouldn't. There's been a huge outcry in Ireland about the gov imposing mandatory vaccines to enter pubs but the owners are not complying with it. I'm not sure if that's still the case as it's been a while since I've read up on it.

As there are more people who have been vaccinated than haven't then I don't think business owners will be having to close down

Itsawelshthing

I will live. I haven't been out for years or mingled with any friends or families anyway, I am quite comfortable staying at home. I refuse to he coerced into having it.

Well, you may call it living!!! Personally, it sounds similar to house arrest.

Nope, I prefer my 'living' to involve going out, meeting people, going to groups, visiting and being visited by friends and family, and being a goodly part of society.

I do have mixed thoughts about whether or not vaccination should be compulsory -but, surely it the unvaccinated who are at far greater risk from getting very ill/dying/having long term effect from this virus than those of us who have been double (probably soon, triple) jabbed,

Itsawelshthing

I will live. I haven't been out for years or mingled with any friends or families anyway, I am quite comfortable staying at home. I refuse to he coerced into having it.

But I understood you worked as a Carer, how does that square with “not being out for years” ?
Mingling with friends or family may be up to you, but what about the vulnerable people you work with?

Oldwoman70

People are free to decide for themselves whether they wish to be vaccinated, but shouldn't business owners also be free to decide whether they want unvaccinated people using their premises in order to protect their workforce?

Freedom works both ways - you can't demand to be able to decide for yourself whether you have the vaccine but refuse to allow others to decide whether they want you on their premises.

I agree that it should be their choice, not the government. If business owners did this then I'm sure it wouldn't be long before they have to close down indefinitely so they probably wouldn't. There's been a huge outcry in Ireland about the gov imposing mandatory vaccines to enter pubs but the owners are not complying with it. I'm not sure if that's still the case as it's been a while since I've read up on it.

Pittcity

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

Impossible! As a teacher (just for example) if I’d stayed off work for a cold I’d have been in serious bother !

People are free to decide for themselves whether they wish to be vaccinated, but shouldn't business owners also be free to decide whether they want unvaccinated people using their premises in order to protect their workforce?

Freedom works both ways - you can't demand to be able to decide for yourself whether you have the vaccine but refuse to allow others to decide whether they want you on their premises.

I will live. I haven't been out for years or mingled with any friends or families anyway, I am quite comfortable staying at home. I refuse to he coerced into having it.

I have nothing against having to prove you've had the vaccination to access various establishments. We are going to an open air concert on Saturday and this is an entry requirement.

For those who are unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons, I think they should be provided with documentation that says this is why they haven't been vaccinated.

I don't agree that vaccinations should be made compulsory, but if choosing not to be results in not being able to access certain venues etc., that should be considered in making the decision by the individuals concerned.

Amberone

^Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean” ^

Me too. I'm just waiting for the lynching parties to start. Oh for the good old days when we could just lock up people whose views and lifestyles we disagreed with.

that is not a valid comparison.
this is a potentially deadly communicable disease, a matter of public health.
it is nothing like choosing to live with a man or a woman, wearing pink earrings, living off grid, or eating only fruit.

as for discussion of vaccination being compulsory; where has it seriously been suggested.
it is not compulsory to go to night-clubs, gyms etc.; if one chooses to do so, there are entry conditions.
one does not have to work caring for others; if one chooses to do so, then measures must be taken to protect those others.

rosie1959

Pittcity

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

Unfortunately we can’t all stop work for a case of the sniffles a simple lateral flow test will give you a clue if it’s anything else. Not perfect but better than nothing

I’ve had more than a ‘slight’ cold for the past few days, so was v glad dh had ordered a batch of tests, esp. since Gdcs are coming to stay for a couple of nights later today.
Test came up negative within a few minutes.

Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean”

Me too. I'm just waiting for the lynching parties to start. Oh for the good old days when we could just lock up people whose views and lifestyles we disagreed with.

Just an add on - the friend I mentioned initially now has COVID, she is a care worker in the USA and has passed it on to the 93 year old woman she cares for - unbelievable! Yes, and she is still in denial and says she caught it off the illegal immigrants coming across the border, whom I might add she never comes in to contact with!!

Compulsion is probably a step too far but any venue has a right to refuse people who are unvaccinated just as they can refuse people who are drunk or wearing the wrong clothes.

I clearly remember a patient a chap in his 20's who got Polio, which apparently he picked up from his recently vaccinated baby
His mother didn't believe in vacation!
No one at the time could believe it.

The pass is mandatory in France for a lot of places now, restaurants, bars, cinemas, large shops, trains, museums and many more.

Pittcity

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

Unfortunately we can’t all stop work for a case of the sniffles a simple lateral flow test will give you a clue if it’s anything else. Not perfect but better than nothing

I have had both vaccines but, other than in healthcare situations, I am strongly against compulsion. I have a friend who is strongly anti-vaxx, we do not discuss it. I now appreciate that although we may both pass it, unwittingly, on to each other, I am more likely to fight it off, so her decision, her health.

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

BlueBelle

Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean” ?
I m not sure that we can force people to be vaccinated what about those who can’t for medical reasons
I know in some countries it will be made law
I believe in USA kids have to be on medication if they have ADHD and want to attend school and I don’t agree with that either, I think in some European countries kids can’t go to school without having had their childhood jabs (I d have been in a pickle as my parents didn’t give me any vaccinations as a child, I don’t know why I never thought to ask, just accepted that I wasn’t having them)
It’s a difficult one I have just one friend who has refused and I have been out to lunch with her relying on my own vaccination to protect me
As for anywhere else, cinema, workplace etc etc I ve no way of knowing who has or who hasn’t so I don’t really consider it or think about it
The numbers for being double vaccinated in U.K. are fairly high I think nearly 80% now isn’t it ?
I do wonder how long those of us vaccinated early in the year will be protected? Have they done any recent work on how long the immunity lasts ?

Zoe app, Professor Spector and team, have videos on You Tube discussing and giving answers on this.