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Ofcom have cleared Piers Morgan for saying on GMTV he doesn't believe a word MM says

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Smileless2012 Wed 01-Sept-21 11:16:12

I'm certainly not a fan of PM and don't watch GMTV but am wondering if he'll be re instated.

Lucca Mon 06-Sept-21 21:58:11

Off. Not if.

Lucca Mon 06-Sept-21 21:57:48

And if we go again….

theworriedwell Mon 06-Sept-21 16:40:49

PM said he didn't believe her. He wasn't lying.
MM said she and Harry married 3 days before the big "wedding." It was a lie.

eazybee Mon 06-Sept-21 16:02:18

Yes, it tells me that the Royal Family treat Meghan and Harry's unsubstantiated claims with the contempt they deserve.

Summerlove Mon 06-Sept-21 15:48:20

Smileless2012

It isn't about PM being able to say what he likes and Harry, Meghan or both of them not being able to say what they like. It's the fact that having done so, Meghan made a formal complaint to ITV regarding PM's comments.

No one that I'm aware of has made a formal complaint with regard to any of the unsubstantiated claims and false claims given by H & M.

Shouldn’t that then tell you something?

I’m sure Meghan wasn’t the only one making complaints after his tantrum.

Smileless2012 Mon 06-Sept-21 11:52:07

It isn't about PM being able to say what he likes and Harry, Meghan or both of them not being able to say what they like. It's the fact that having done so, Meghan made a formal complaint to ITV regarding PM's comments.

No one that I'm aware of has made a formal complaint with regard to any of the unsubstantiated claims and false claims given by H & M.

Pammie1 Mon 06-Sept-21 11:42:25

I don’t think ‘woke’ should be thought of in derogatory terms, although I do think they go too far sometimes. Don’t really like the way we seem to be headed - cancelling people for expressing opinions, name calling like Karen and Snowflake -doesn’t really achieve anything.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 11:29:08

Yes, I'm sorry, I have no life. Off you go and enjoy yourself in the sun. Its raining here so I'll just keep on googling.

Facts are factual when you have the intelligence to sort out the facts from the speculation.

tickingbird Mon 06-Sept-21 11:21:36

While others try to discredit those who like to post facts rather than something they've just cooked up as an "opinion"

Oh yes ‘facts’. The internet is full of facts; unfortunately these facts aren’t always factual but each to their own. It’s a beautiful day and far too nice to spend it ferreting out ‘facts’ on google.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 10:53:37

The freedom of speech thing is very difficult. Interpreted in different ways. PM should be free to say Meghan is a liar but Harry should not be free to say anything against the RF.

Is it about perceptions of "worthiness" do you think Lucca? Meghan is perceived as a jumped up gold digger, while Harry is perceived as a hen-pecked ingrate. While the RF are seen as idealised representations of Britishness who can't answer back.

theworriedwell Mon 06-Sept-21 10:53:09

Alegrias1

I tried to post some of PM's tweets but for some reason they won't post. Those who can, go and take a look at his Twitter feed and decided for yourselves whether these are the tweets of a reasonable person, or the tweets of a person with no conscience who really, really wants people to talk about him and think he cares about war veterans and little children?

Examples: calling somebody a lickspittle and describing a footballer as braindead. Nice. I'm sure his mother loves him.

I don't do twitter or facebook so my opinion is based on see him on TV.

Lucca Mon 06-Sept-21 10:41:49

I forgot “snowflake”

Lucca Mon 06-Sept-21 10:41:30

The freedom of speech thing is very difficult. Interpreted in different ways. PM should be free to say Meghan is a liar but Harry should not be free to say anything against the RF.

Is “cancel culture” a new one to go with “woke” and “political correctness” as derogatory terms?

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 10:09:28

PM got called out by a colleague on air for doubting a person's mental health problems and flounced offset like a sulking three year old in the hope that everybody would think he's the victim.

Nobody was "cancelled".

I think the fact that ITV were cleared, and that Morgan isn't the subject of the ruling, is very interesting. Just look at the title of this thread to see how its being interpreted. Its all about PM, in PM's mind....

Pammie1 Mon 06-Sept-21 10:05:29

PM is a very divisive figure, but this is significant for freedom of speech. I hate the whole cancel culture thing.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 09:56:36

Its on online forum and we find information online.

While others try to discredit those who like to post facts rather than something they've just cooked up as an "opinion"

Fair enough, free country.

tickingbird Mon 06-Sept-21 09:51:35

Yes I will ignore my lived experience and do as I'm told by internet search

Some on here seem to spend all their time googling and posting links. Fascinates me how seriously some take an online forum. I mean if it’s on the internet it must be true. Right?

PippaZ Mon 06-Sept-21 09:43:34

seem to think think

PippaZ Mon 06-Sept-21 09:43:12

It seems some people, including the OP, seem to think Piers Morgan has been "cleared". He has not; "the broadcaster" has.

Piers Morgan is just as he ever was but he was lucky in that "the broadcaster" balanced his outpouring. Whatever you thought he was before this event does not need to change. I doubt too many "broadcasters" would want to risk their reputations by having him on in the future.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 09:42:37

I tried to post some of PM's tweets but for some reason they won't post. Those who can, go and take a look at his Twitter feed and decided for yourselves whether these are the tweets of a reasonable person, or the tweets of a person with no conscience who really, really wants people to talk about him and think he cares about war veterans and little children?

Examples: calling somebody a lickspittle and describing a footballer as braindead. Nice. I'm sure his mother loves him.

theworriedwell Mon 06-Sept-21 09:18:56

He's also nice to people on TV, I've seen him being very challenging with govt ministers, I've seen him being very nice with colleagues, Kate Garraway springs to mind, and guests. I remember a little girl on GMB who had disabilities and he was lovely with her, Captain Tom the same. He was unreasonable about MM but I don't think challenging politicians makes him a bully, in a democracy the govt have to be held to account and the voters are entitled to ask questions and get answers. This govt are pretty poor on the answers bit.

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 08:29:45

Piers Morgan is a bully who uses his physical presence and the prejudices of other people to ride roughshod over people, and thinks he can say anything he likes.

If he is nice to people in private, that makes it worse, because he knows that acting the bully gets him popularity with the masses.

Happy?

love0c Mon 06-Sept-21 08:23:41

Well done Alegrias1. Your previous post, 'which of course' to 'I think'. smile

Alegrias1 Mon 06-Sept-21 08:19:53

No, it's called freedom of opinion. Democracy is a system of government.

I think PM is a bully, which he demonstrates by his behaviour. Others might think differently ?

love0c Mon 06-Sept-21 08:13:29

PM is the bully, in your opinion Alegrias1. Not everyone must agree with you. This is called democracy.