Ofcom have cleared Piers Morgan for saying on GMTV he doesn't believe a word MM says

apparently it is not acceptable because someone decided that without consulting all of us.

Yep, all those compilers of dictionaries decided not to run their decisions part GNers first

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bint

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bint

www.dictionary.com/browse/bint

www.yourdictionary.com/bint

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bint

Alegrias1

^apparently it is not acceptable because someone decided that without consulting all of us.^

Yep, all those compilers of dictionaries decided not to run their decisions part GNers first

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bint

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bint

www.dictionary.com/browse/bint

www.yourdictionary.com/bint

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bint

Yes I will ignore my lived experience and do as I'm told by internet search.

I am glad he has been cleared, I actually like how outspoken he is and I also agree that M was not telling the truth in her interview, her body language was telling all.

theworriedwell

FannyCornforth

What does it actually mean though?

It just says that it’s ‘a contemptuous term for a woman’. Who says? Where is the contempt derived from? (I hope I’m making sense here.)

If it’s just another word for woman, why is it not acceptable?
Are there any ‘contemptuous terms’ for a man?

In Arabic it means a girl or a daughter. It can be used in a name to denote you are the daughter of and then father's name. So you might be Leila bint Abdul, or Leila daughter of Abdul.

Apparently it is not acceptable because someone decided that without consulting all of us.

It is also an English surname, probably of Ango-Saxon origin.

Just because someone decides a word is offensive when it never has been for hundreds of year doesn't mean it necessarily is in all contexts.

I love the Cambridge dictionary’s list of ‘Kinds of Women’!
When I was a teenager, wench was used a lot.
I’m beginning to think that where I’m from (the Black Country) we must have a lot of archaic words in our vernacular

FannyCornforth

I love the Cambridge dictionary’s list of ‘Kinds of Women’!
When I was a teenager, wench was used a lot.
I’m beginning to think that where I’m from (the Black Country) we must have a lot of archaic words in our vernacular

Then along comes someone who decides a perfectly normal word has a different meaning and hey presto! it gains in popularity and is added to the Dictionary of Offensive Words or words which acquire a new meaning, their origins lost in the mists of time.

I can't believe that you are trying to conflate the insulting use of a word for women with adoption of words like pyjamas .

I'm not interested in your links Had enough of experts, have you?

Maybe the language used in the area you come from is derogatory and you just didn't know it? There's a word for gypsies in the area I come from that we all used to use but we don't use it any more because its derogatory . Sheesh.

But you carry on with your lived experience.

Ofcom did not say you could go round saying what you like. As I keep saying, it is not that you are "entitled" to an opinion, more the case that no one can stop you from having one (without some very nasty things being done to you and they are currently illegal).

Voicing your opinion is another thing entirely and the Ofcom report was far from one-sided. They said:

This was a finely-balanced decision. Mr Morgan’s comments were potentially harmful and offensive to viewers, and we recognise the strong public reaction to them. But we also took full account of freedom of expression. Under our rules, broadcasters can include controversial opinions as part of legitimate debate in the public interest, and the strong challenge to Mr Morgan from other contributors provided important context for viewers.

They were saying the broadcaster got away with this because Morgan was strongly challanged. On another day with a less challenging debate, they would not have done so.

FannyCornforth

I love the Cambridge dictionary’s list of ‘Kinds of Women’!
When I was a teenager, wench was used a lot.
I’m beginning to think that where I’m from (the Black Country) we must have a lot of archaic words in our vernacular

I thought we came from the same area, yes wench is a word you don't hear alot. I'm in the south west now, I used to get confused when people asked how the maid was. To me a maid was a servant but no, they meant my daughter.

Alegrias1

I can't believe that you are trying to conflate the insulting use of a word for women with adoption of words like pyjamas .

I'm not interested in your links Had enough of experts, have you?

Maybe the language used in the area you come from is derogatory and you just didn't know it? There's a word for gypsies in the area I come from that we all used to use but we don't use it any more because its derogatory . Sheesh.

But you carry on with your lived experience.

Yes thank you for your permission, I intend to carry on with my lived experience for as long as I can.

Shropshirelass

I am glad he has been cleared, I actually like how outspoken he is and I also agree that M was not telling the truth in her interview, her body language was telling all.

So you are stating not telling the truth in her interview, her body language was telling all. as a fact not an opinion. Could you let me know what your qualifications are for this?

Alegrias1

I can't believe that you are trying to conflate the insulting use of a word for women with adoption of words like pyjamas .

I'm not interested in your links Had enough of experts, have you?

Maybe the language used in the area you come from is derogatory and you just didn't know it? There's a word for gypsies in the area I come from that we all used to use but we don't use it any more because its derogatory . Sheesh.

But you carry on with your lived experience.

Perhaps you don't understand the connection. The British went out to conquer the world, they borrowed lots of words including pyjamas, moolah (I notice you have given up on that one) and bint.

Are you ready to admit that in Arabic bint doesn't just mean daughter?

If in doubt, resort to questioning the poster's intelligence.

I understand that many words have come into common use in English from many sources, not just when Britain "went out to conquer the world". I understand that some links say moolah is the Fijian word for money, others say its the Fijian word for moth. Maybe a native Fijian speaker will come along and tell us the truth.

I understand that there are some words which people use having no understanding of their interpretation in the 21st Century and I guess we'll just have to live with that.

Right then, away to shout slogans galore before I put on my trousers and go for a shindig (Loan words, Scots Gaelic. We weren't conquered.)

Did PM call MM the Arabic word for daughter? (Or did I just get lost in the thread?)

If so, then that's just a shoddy way of speaking in public about anybody.

I was quite surprised by some of the dictionary definitions. Certainly in my part of the world Arabic word for daughter is Not the same as Fruit Pie; it generally means a bit of a twit, and is usually prefaced by "Dozy" ~ not very pleasant but not containing moral aspersions.

This is how rumours start....

It wasn't PM who used the word. Ailidh Too much even for him.

Alegrias1

If in doubt, resort to questioning the poster's intelligence.

I understand that many words have come into common use in English from many sources, not just when Britain "went out to conquer the world". I understand that some links say moolah is the Fijian word for money, others say its the Fijian word for moth. Maybe a native Fijian speaker will come along and tell us the truth.

I understand that there are some words which people use having no understanding of their interpretation in the 21st Century and I guess we'll just have to live with that.

Right then, away to shout slogans galore before I put on my trousers and go for a shindig (Loan words, Scots Gaelic. We weren't conquered.)

Last time I looked Scotland was still part of Britain so don't know what being conquered has to do with it.

Oh, don't get me started..... ?????

The post said 'Harry's bint' well MM isn't Harry's daughter. It was being used in a derogtory way in this instance and unnecessarily. Why are derogatory words for women acceptable on a mostly female forum. Yes the word does mean that in our area it has meant a worthless woman maybe that is the Arabic translation anyway. Do we need to go to that level.

Whatdayisit

The post said 'Harry's bint' well MM isn't Harry's daughter. It was being used in a derogtory way in this instance and unnecessarily. Why are derogatory words for women acceptable on a mostly female forum. Yes the word does mean that in our area it has meant a worthless woman maybe that is the Arabic translation anyway. Do we need to go to that level.

It means daughter or young woman/girl in Arabic. So it doesn't really apply to her as she's too old.

As more than one of us has said it isn't universally used in a derogatory way it means a girl or young woman in some parts of the country.

I digress...

Somebody just used an abbreviation on another thread which has two meanings, one of which includes a swear word. I've used the abbreviation before without knowing the sweary meaning. So now I'll stop using it because I don't want to offend anyone. I did think about stomping around saying everyone was denying my experience and everybody uses it and what's the problem anyway.

But I won't.

Alegrias1

I digress...

Somebody just used an abbreviation on another thread which has two meanings, one of which includes a swear word. I've used the abbreviation before without knowing the sweary meaning. So now I'll stop using it because I don't want to offend anyone. I did think about stomping around saying everyone was denying my experience and everybody uses it and what's the problem anyway.

But I won't.

What was it, Alegrias1?

And back to Bint, what about the Bints who were neighbours of ours? Are they supposed to change their name?

Dick is a perfectly acceptable and quite common surname.

But you wouldn't go around calling people dicks because you don't like them, would you? Well, maybe some would.

FannyCornforth

Jennifer is it Morgan’s job to report the news or comment upon it?
The BBC and independent TV, and radio, have such different rules etc

I don’t think GMB is actually The News. As far as I know it’s a magazine style programme but we rarely have the tv on before 7 pm especially now that we are packing for our move.

PM was no doubt hired for his outspoken opinions so the faux outrage made his coworkers and the tv company look ridiculous.

MM used him to get contacts in the U.K. then dumped him as she seems to do to anyone who has outlived their usefulness.

His male ego was bruised no doubt as he didn’t see through her manipulation but she is hardly an innocent where media is concerned.

He says he won’t be going back as he has advanced plans of his own. Perhaps he will sue for constructive dismissal?

Alegrias1

I digress...

Somebody just used an abbreviation on another thread which has two meanings, one of which includes a swear word. I've used the abbreviation before without knowing the sweary meaning. So now I'll stop using it because I don't want to offend anyone. I did think about stomping around saying everyone was denying my experience and everybody uses it and what's the problem anyway.

But I won't.

Oh Lord, it was me, wasn’t it?
I’ve caused a load of bother again

Well it was Fanny, but I'm team Fanny on this one

Its very difficult to know isn't it?

We can use derogatory descriptions for women, but we can't use abbreviations that some people think contain a swear word. You have to be so careful what you say these days, what happened to freedom of speech? (Wish they had a sarcasm emoji)

And we're back to Piers.....