when gender blinds us to sex

Smileless there would still be a risk of infection to the man, if the attacking woman chose not to use protection.

FarNorth but we don't have either of those things.

Please let's not confuse my stance on trans issues with that meaning I am defending serious criminals because I am not doing that at all.

I fully agree with the FBI on their definition of rape and I want mainly women, and in some cases men, to be able to say that is what happened to them.

That's not in any way anti women

It's not good enough that it happens. It's not good enough that people aren't educated on its seriousness. It's not good enough that some people will feel more at liberty to get away with what should be a serious crime because it's not taken as seriously in law.

They can already say what happened to them, but if you want to campaign for changes, it's your prerogative, and there's no need to explain your reasoning to us.

Yes if course FarNorth but the post I was referring too was about a woman being at the risk of pregnancy and STD if she forces sex on a man.

The man would also be at risk of std and of a pregnancy and child he didn't consent to.

Yes, I agree its my perogative to do so and explain why I feel so strongly about it. I won't change hearts and minds sitting on my hands

You won’t change hearts and minds if you put people against you either.

Molly how am I doing that exactly?

Well it's unlikely that he'd take any responsibility for a child if conception took place. There are plenty of men who abdicate all responsibility both emotional and financial, of the children they were happy to conceive.

Smileless2012

Well it's unlikely that he'd take any responsibility for a child if conception took place. There are plenty of men who abdicate all responsibility both emotional and financial, of the children they were happy to conceive.

Yes he could of course if that is what he chose but that also negatively impacts the resulting child

I would have thought that for any child who learns their conception was due to sex without consent, the impact is likely to be a negative one.

Smileless2012

I would have thought that for any child who learns their conception was due to sex without consent, the impact is likely to be a negative one.

Exactly

At least the maximum sentence for rape and for sexual assault by penetration (i.e. using an implement other than a penis) is the same - life.

To me, that makes sense. The judge can decide on the seriousness of the assault, and sentence accordingly, regardless of the sex or gender of the victim or the assailant.

I wonder at your trust in judges Doodledog most of them are men. Most rape charges will have a woman as victim and sexual assault may well be treated as a different offence in the mind of a judge with traditional values. Depending on his attitude the rape may be regarded as a lesser offence. I think as well there is an element involved of this being sexual because of the history of the word. Changing the wording of the law to something like the American model would remove all the historic and sexual connections, and make it a much easier offence to prosecute accurately and with less preconceptions.

I wouldnt get your Hope's up the conviction rate in America is dire from what I can see.

Sweden gives me hope, since they changed their legal definition convictions rose 75%

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

trisher, sexual assault by penetration is an entirely separate offence created by statute and with its own sentencing guidelines, up to a maximum of life. The judge will have heard all the evidence, which in such a case would be pretty graphic. I would trust a judge, male or female, to sentence according to the evidence and impact on the victim presented in court.

A long article today on lesbian women being called TERF’s if they don’t wish to have sex with someone with a penis.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

You couldn't make it up, SueDonim! How can it be right to put pressure on anyone to have a sexual relationship they don't want, whatever the genitalia involved, is what I want to know.

I remember hearing that on MN, they had described TERF as (if I remember correctly) Trying to Explain Reality to Fuckwits! Seems to sum it up, really.

The pressure on lesbians to have sex with transwomen is very real. It has happened to friends of mine.

Our sexuality, and who we are attracted to, is about as personal as it gets, and there is nothing 'phobic' about not wanting to have sex with someone for far less fundamental reasons than the fact that they belong to the 'wrong' sex. I can't see how this dreadful behaviour towards lesbians is any different from insisting that straight people are homophobic if they don't want to have sex with a gay person, or that lesbians 'just need a good seeing-to' by a man, as was an oft-repeated slur in the past.

I really can’t see the difference between what those transgender people are saying and the old homosexual conversion therapy of old, ‘you’d like it if you’d t ried it’ I’d bet my house that the numbers of men either straight or gay being pressurised are vanishingly small compared with the numbers of straight or lesbian women. It must be horrendous to face that sort of pressure. What’s gone so wrong that the tails wagging the dog to this extent?

*tail’s. this iPad thinks it knows best.

I think you're right Rosie it's like going back in time isn't it.

I think the TERF's definition on MN sums it up perfectly.

Wheniwasyourage sorry I posted to soon.