when gender blinds us to sex

Telling anyone who they should be attracted to or open to having a relationships is wrong fullstop

Bonkers people are only representative of themselves fullstop

SueDonim the harassment of lesbians who by definition have chosen to have their intimate relationships with women, by those who tell them they are transphobic for refusing the advances of TW is unbelievable.
TW who want sexual relationships with women are in effect heterosexual. That means they choose a partner of the opposite sex, not the gender they have chosen and certainly not someone who doesn’t want a heterosexual relationship. It appears to be another trans-rights over the rights of women. Fortunately it’s still a minority of perpetrators and their fans, but it’s not acceptable.

Are there any cases of heterosexual men being pressured into having sex with TW (some of whom, presumably, have started off as gay men) in spite of the fact that they prefer to have sex with people without penises? If not, is it just that lesbians, being women, are an easier target?

VioletSky

Telling anyone who they should be attracted to or open to having a relationships is wrong fullstop

Bonkers people are only representative of themselves fullstop

Unfortunately, there seem to be enough of these bonkers people that life is being made very difficult for lesbians who are looking for partners.

People, trans or not, who insist that 'transwomen are women' are part of creating this problem.

Apparently, gay men are also having problems from transmen who want to have sex with them.

I recently heard Arty Morty, on Graham Linehan's youtube, say that people on gay men's dating sites can specify any preference e.g. height, age, race, interests but preference for 'biological male only' is not allowed.

It's just ridiculous!! How did we ever get to this stage? Let's hope we're starting to see the beginnings of the pendulum swinging back.

TERF as (if I remember correctly) Trying to Explain Reality to Fuckwits!

And here we are, still trying.

Chewbacca .

Wheniwasyourage

It's just ridiculous!! How did we ever get to this stage? Let's hope we're starting to see the beginnings of the pendulum swinging back.

It is ridiculous.

The trouble is, as long as the climate is one of No Debate, and when people can't ask genuine questions without being shouted down or accused of nefarious intent, things like this will happen.

When there are people who always support transpeople over others, support changes to the language that will, if unchecked, result in there being no way to have conversations that differentiate between transpeople and others, things like this will happen.

When dissent is seen as transphobia, and even people who are generally supportive of the rights of transpeople are victimised, things like this will happen.

When people are hounded out of their jobs, and their unions are afraid to support them, things like this will happen.

It has to be stopped, and preferably in time to restore sensible relations between the vast majority of the trans community and everyone else.

So, we can trust men who self ID as women but, we can’t trust male judges to hear rape trials because they may have traditional values. According to Trisha.

This bullying, sexual harassment of women, lesbians, heterosexuals, whatever, by men who claim to be women is beyond disgusting. If misogyny became a hate crime, would that help.

Iam64

So, we can trust men who self ID as women but, we can’t trust male judges to hear rape trials because they may have traditional values. According to Trisha.

This bullying, sexual harassment of women, lesbians, heterosexuals, whatever, by men who claim to be women is beyond disgusting. If misogyny became a hate crime, would that help.

I don't think I have ever said I would trust every transwoman. I certainly don't trust every judge and a lot of barristers will do anything to win.
The problem with making misogyny a hate crime is how likely is it that a prosecution would ever be brought to court never mind succeed? If rape can't be successfully dealt with how will misogyny be?

I was wary of misogyny a hate crime just because of what I saw as the scale of the.problem. But according to pilot studies it leads to police taking other offences against women more seriously.

The same was as racism. Ok, so being racist is not criminal, but behaving in a racist manner, or more to the point, committing a racist act is a crime, and if an existing crime is considered to be racially motivated it carries an automatically higher sentence..

The same could apply to misogyny, and probably would, if men didn’t run the legal system.

I think the prime influence on racism was not the law but education. You change far more by educating and changing attitudes than by prosecutions.

trisher

Iam64

So, we can trust men who self ID as women but, we can’t trust male judges to hear rape trials because they may have traditional values. According to Trisha.

This bullying, sexual harassment of women, lesbians, heterosexuals, whatever, by men who claim to be women is beyond disgusting. If misogyny became a hate crime, would that help.

I don't think I have ever said I would trust every transwoman. I certainly don't trust every judge and a lot of barristers will do anything to win.
The problem with making misogyny a hate crime is how likely is it that a prosecution would ever be brought to court never mind succeed? If rape can't be successfully dealt with how will misogyny be?

Misogyny is something that is quite likely to be witnessed by others, rape usually doesn't have witnesses other than the victim and assailant. When you have independent witnesses it is easier to get a conviction.

That’s true, Rosie.

I don’t think that laws should be passed on the basis of how likely crimes are to be prosecuted. If that were the driver it would still be legal for men to beat their wives.

I agree, something should either be illegal or not. Prosecution and conviction rates are irrelevant, especially as they can only be ascertained after the law is passed.