Staying on topic- threads in general

I'm sure there are plenty of completely potty people who hate women or are trying to take something away from them.

I just genuinely don't believe that's the intention of anyone here.

We will always be women, mothers, wives, doctors, engineers, singers, tap dancers or whatever it is we want to describe ourselves as and however we define ourselves to the world. If those words are banned from general use I will help burn the whole place down.

Until then fellow humans

Varian
I have it that April Ashley was the first Transgender.

I am all cosy in bed with Jane so I dont care what any of you say .
And I have gin.

Prof. Robert Winston was spot on, on Question Time, when he said "no-one can change sex". I think he knows what he is talking about.

Galaxy

I am all cosy in bed with Jane so I dont care what any of you say .
And I have gin.

from my gin club, I have bloody loads


at least we can consent sweetheart

I've been out all day and returned to see that Doodledog is still patiently trying explain, to the hard of critical thinkers, exactly what is at stake for women and their rights. Doodledog you've never lost your temper, despite much quite deliberate and obvious provocation, whataboutery and examples of male rape that, apart from having bugger all to do with the subject, has never once been backed up by a single example or statistic to prove the claims. You've resolutely tried to explain, in words of as few syllables as is possible, as to what is at stake for women if this tide of bullshit is allowed to gain any more momentum. There has been a wealth of evidence to show how women are being silenced, marginalised and diminished. There has been nothing from the nay sayers, who, apart from being unable to wrap their tiny minds around why natal women are angry at being reduced to no more than their body parts, also deny them the right to call themselves whatever they wish. It's difficult to decide if it's misogyny that's driving them or a lack of critical thinking. Could it be both?

Budge up JaneJudge and Galaxy.

Ooh I like the sound of a gin club. Hav you got alcohol or food chewbacca. Thems the rules.

Although maybe no more alcohol. Have not hav.

trisher, if you seriously think that calling yourself a transwidow when you have lost your husband (widow) because he has transitioned (trans) is the same as believing you have a penis when your eyes can tell you you don't (a massive leap of faith), there is nothing I can say.

I had a Laithwaites delivery today, may I join in?

Thank you Chewbacca. Is there room for a little one in the dorm? I'll bring a midnight feast (well, I say 'little one' . . .)

Oh no more alcohol..... I have halloween chocolates we could deny the kiddies.

Got some homemade damson gin that's around 4 years old? It packs a punch! And I've made a slab of sticky parkin today. It's heavy enough to be used as a missile so should be useful.

Can I join you. I have delicious sugared almonds and some ouzo brought back from a small Greek island

<<and we all budge over>>

I just made bacon sandwiches

Hands off the Nutella one.

I don’t mind the terms trans women or trans men I just reserve the right to use the term woman.

Don't think anybody wants Nutella.

I recently read Jan Morris’s book Conundrum. She says in it that she didn’t believe she actually was a woman.

Okaaay SueDonim did she say what she "actually was"? I think there was a thread in the Sex and Gender discussiin form on MN about her. It was interesting.

I can’t remember, Chewbacca. These days, as soon as I’ve finished a book, it’s as though it never existed, because I forget about it. Only the mention of JM made me recall I’d read it.

Well, to be fair, all gender/sex seems to be so fluid these days she may well have changed her mind by now anyway.

Transmen because they may be registered as men were missing out. It was therefore decided to advertise to ensure they got the information and the term "person with a cervix" was used. This nothing to do with transwomen. It isn't a barrier for immigrants or women speaking other languages because all women will be called for screening.

You can't be sure that all will be called for screening. People move around and/or may not be registered with a GP.
Seeing a poster addressed to 'Women' might alert them to the need for a check up, where seeing 'People with a Cervix' is less likely to do so.
The poster could say 'Women and People with a Cervix' if the aim was genuinely to be inclusive.

In any case, it's completely ludicrous that trans people get themselves registered with the wrong sex on their medical records.
It's carrying their delusion too far.